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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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edition july 8th 1947.

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army if the game

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is rigged change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy judge on the game changer network

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uh yeah how you doing today it's monday

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happy memorial day everyone i would like

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to welcome everybody listening from all

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around the world all across the united

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south far and near

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for kjcr the game changer and on x

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race hobbes

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i'm your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody happy memorial day

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that's right i'm here

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that's right it's going to be a great

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we welcome very special guest ross

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joins us live from australia

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we're going to be discussing the capitol

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hill ufo hearing a full analysis from

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and as you know it's an open

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excited about this show tonight

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tomorrow night billy carson is with us

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we're going to be talking about the

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black knight satellite and that'll be

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tomorrow and then wednesday night uh all

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three shows this week are huge

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wednesday night john burroughs is with

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and now i've been announcing this

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because i'm still getting email i'm

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still getting texts and comments from

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people that want to go to egypt in

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october with billy and i and if their

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we're excited not only for the world

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and and and the life that disclosurefest

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incredible event so come and hang out

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with us that is saturday june 18th the

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links for everything are in the

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description box below we have them over

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at the website

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that's right follow me on twitter for

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all that conspiracy ufo stuff yeah

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follow me on twitter if you want to

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check out my world of guitars

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instagram head over there and and check

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not gonna do it i'm not i'm not that's

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you know i'm uh i'm a complete virgin to

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i have no idea how it runs how it works

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causing trouble

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and uh come and hang out with us over

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and uh hello to everybody listening and

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watching all around the world lots of

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let's get to the breaking news i need

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like a breaking news button i need one

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of those you know like the typewriter

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and have that or is that too

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is that too radio-ish is that taking

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things a step too far let's get to the

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because there might be a meteor shower

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facing the skies astronomers are keeping

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you know it all right now a team of

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have discovered a network of passageways

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across the region the passageways were

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university who is involved in the

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over the years of excavations which all

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that's right right there in the

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foothills of the andes very exciting

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more news to follow on this now earlier

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egypt displayed a trove of ancient

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near cairo the artifacts were showcased

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at the feet of the step pyramid of

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dozier in sakhara

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according to mustafa waziri head of the

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supreme council of antiquities the fine

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includes 250 painted sarcophagi with

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well-preserved mummies inside each

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brooklyn

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and statues of angels flanking the altar

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were decapitated in the process all of

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this according to police

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power tools were used to forcefully cut

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open the altar and access the 18 karat

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gold tabernacle the new york city police

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department said everything today in

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their announcement the theft occurred at

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the saint augustine roman catholic

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church

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in the park slope area sometime between

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6 30 p.m thursday

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and 4 p.m saturday all of this according

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to

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the new york police department

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incredible

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check this out

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the mona lisa

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was the subject of attempted vandalism

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yesterday

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when a visitor to the world famous

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louvre museum in paris

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smeared frosting all over the

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renaissance area paintings protective

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glass now how would you pull that off

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well the man

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who appeared to wear a wig in videos of

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the incident shared on social media

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which i have watched

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approach the painting in a wheelchair

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that's right wheelchair access

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before throwing a piece of cake at the

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artwork according to the statement from

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the lube

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videos of the aftermath show him on foot

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yeah he was walking

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with the wheelchair nearby

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the man 36 years old was arrested and

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taken to a psychiatric infirmary in the

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police headquarters according to the

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paris prosecutor's office he's a young

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dude too

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he's a young guy didn't look you know it

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was kind of strange he had a baseball

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hat on you could see the wig

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and he said he's yelling i did this for

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the world

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people get interviewed about the

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incident they said man he just rolled up

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he had a and he just had a piece of cake

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and just smashed it onto the glass

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freaking everybody out um it was you

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know it's bulletproof protective glass

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uh there is no such thing as a happy

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memorial day

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yeah skyhawk i hear you

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i hear ya let's get this show cracking

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on this day in history 1971

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the united states unmanned space probe

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mariner 9 is launched on a mission to

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gather scientific information on mars

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that's right

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orbited mars for a couple of years

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yeah infrared

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taking pictures when it first got there

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was a dust storm so they didn't see much

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but uh

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the pictures were amazing

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1971 fader fact

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all right have you guys

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did anybody go out memorial weekend here

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and and and check out top gun maverick

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the the reviews

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have

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i mean it's like this film has gotten 10

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out of 10. it's like nobody has not

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liked the film

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it's it's supposed to be absolutely

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tremendous and many are saying i mean

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when i say many like everybody like it's

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better than the original top gun

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i can't imagine that

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i i tried to i tried to find a way to

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stream it i was gonna do it illegally

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yeah

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so i haven't seen it yet

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um but

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i did get a fader fact

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about top gun maverick so here's your

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fader fact today

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you ready unbelievable it's unbelievable

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here we go

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the united states navy

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rented f a 18 super hornets for the

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movie top gun maverick

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and the studio had to pay 11

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374 dollars per hour per plane

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to have the advanced fighter jets for

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filming

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but the rental contract stated

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that tom cruise

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was not allowed to touch the controls

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that's a fader fact race hobbes

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my man

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race hobbes i love you brother

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i love your race that's gonna get a like

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that's gonna get a like every time i

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look like a special agent

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[Laughter]

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i look like top gun maverick right there

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uh ice man

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all right

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tonight very special guest ross culfart

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joins us live from australia to discuss

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the capitol hill ufo hearing i'm going

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to get a full analysis out of ross

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tonight

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um he's one of the best

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00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:05,679
uh there's that part uh and i'm gonna go

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do a little pre and

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post

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analysis on on the hearings and what we

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can expect in the future as well and of

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course the reaction from around the

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world and media uh he's one of the most

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important journalists uh reporters

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host and authors

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in our community right now and he's one

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of the biggest voices in australia when

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it comes to journalism

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and tonight i can i can already tell you

420
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that it's going to be an amazing

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conversation uh coming up in just a bit

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with ross tomorrow night

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billy carson is here we're going to be

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talking about the black knight satellite

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wednesday night john burroughs is with

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us another great show what an amazing

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week here on fade to black and then

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thursday is another fader night with

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open lines all night long and then

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i head out

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to detroit hang out with billy carson

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all right so man i have not rested i

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have not stopped

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and uh uh

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talking about let me let me hit this

436
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cake for all

437
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man did you hear that i gulped

438
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i didn't sip i didn't go ah i just

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oh man

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[Laughter]

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fade to black blend

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it's memorial weekend

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and

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uh i want to first um thank all of you

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uh it is memorial day across the united

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states and for those that

447
00:21:55,909 --> 00:21:53,679
are listening from all around the world

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um here in the united states this is our

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memorial day and

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where

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this is a day

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where we stop and remember those that uh

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00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,280
men and women um in service to our

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country and every branch in the military

455
00:22:14,870 --> 00:22:12,640
has done the ultimate sacrifice

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00:22:17,909 --> 00:22:14,880
and and that's what this day is for

457
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:17,919
um so we get our families together we

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00:22:22,149 --> 00:22:20,000
eat we drink

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and we're thankful you know and that's

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that's what memorial day is all about

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and and i'm reminded of

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um the reason why i'm bringing all of

463
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:31,280
that up and i do want to thank you for

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00:22:35,029 --> 00:22:33,280
taking the time today

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this is your day off

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and maybe you've already celebrated and

467
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:39,280
you've eaten depending on where you are

468
00:22:43,270 --> 00:22:41,280
and now you're in and you're here

469
00:22:44,789 --> 00:22:43,280
uh listening to the show

470
00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,799
um but

471
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:46,559
but

472
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:48,000
you're here

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00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:49,440
on this special day and that's why i

474
00:22:53,350 --> 00:22:52,000
didn't want to take uh today off

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and

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the reason why i'm bringing all of this

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00:23:00,710 --> 00:22:58,320
up

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is that when i

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00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:04,080
look back and i think about the memorial

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days

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of of years past

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00:23:11,510 --> 00:23:09,360
and it seems like for some reason i can

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00:23:13,190 --> 00:23:11,520
remember most of them i don't remember

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00:23:15,350 --> 00:23:13,200
every christmas

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00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:15,360
or christmases that i just don't

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00:23:19,669 --> 00:23:16,720
remember

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00:23:22,390 --> 00:23:19,679
um or every birthday

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00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,400
but i it seems like i can remember

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most memorial days

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and and that's because

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usually

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and in my case every time

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it's everybody coming together to

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everybody coming together

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um

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and and specifically uh for me my father

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00:23:46,710 --> 00:23:44,320
was in the army band he was he was band

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leader in the army band

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and so every memorial day the army band

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is playing somewhere

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and so we will go out as a family and

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and and and celebrate

503
00:24:03,269 --> 00:24:01,360
and and things that at a park

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00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:03,279
uh maybe it's on base maybe it's off

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base

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uh and and we would do that so i would

507
00:24:10,070 --> 00:24:08,000
always remember there were

508
00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:10,080
uh memorial days with the indianapolis

509
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:12,080
500 which takes place every year the

510
00:24:18,149 --> 00:24:15,120
indianapolis 500 on memorial day weekend

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00:24:19,909 --> 00:24:18,159
and my father with the army band based

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out of indianapolis

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00:24:25,430 --> 00:24:22,159
uh i think two years

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if my memory is certainly one

515
00:24:32,310 --> 00:24:29,039
maybe it was two years my dad marched

516
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on the track before the race and yeah

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00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:34,480
and uh with the army band that was

518
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,240
pretty cool right

519
00:24:40,310 --> 00:24:38,880
so yeah and it's it's everybody coming

520
00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,320
together

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and it didn't matter

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00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,679
um and looking back i nev i do not

523
00:24:49,190 --> 00:24:47,760
remember

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00:24:52,470 --> 00:24:49,200
attitude

525
00:24:53,909 --> 00:24:52,480
about who you were and especially on

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memorial day

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00:24:57,430 --> 00:24:55,760
man you know what the neighbors got

528
00:24:59,830 --> 00:24:57,440
together the people in the park got

529
00:25:02,070 --> 00:24:59,840
together it didn't matter where you were

530
00:25:03,110 --> 00:25:02,080
from or why you were there

531
00:25:05,590 --> 00:25:03,120
it it

532
00:25:08,070 --> 00:25:05,600
none of that mattered if you lost a son

533
00:25:10,070 --> 00:25:08,080
or a daughter or a father or a mother

534
00:25:11,909 --> 00:25:10,080
um in service and maybe that's why you

535
00:25:13,110 --> 00:25:11,919
were there maybe not maybe you were just

536
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:13,120
there for

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00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:14,960
for just to be thankful and to

538
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:17,120
appreciate today whatever but nobody

539
00:25:21,110 --> 00:25:20,000
nobody had attitude

540
00:25:24,870 --> 00:25:21,120
right

541
00:25:27,269 --> 00:25:24,880
and it just seems that today

542
00:25:28,950 --> 00:25:27,279
people have attitude

543
00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,960
for no reason

544
00:25:33,110 --> 00:25:30,960
none

545
00:25:37,029 --> 00:25:33,120
and i just don't get that part of it

546
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:37,039
and that same thing that is prevalent

547
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:39,360
all around the world all across this

548
00:25:42,789 --> 00:25:40,640
country

549
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:42,799
has infiltrated

550
00:25:48,149 --> 00:25:45,039
our ufo community

551
00:25:50,470 --> 00:25:48,159
now suddenly where this ufo community

552
00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:50,480
and especially when i got started in

553
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,039
this ufo community there was no attitude

554
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:55,360
you checked your attitude at the door

555
00:26:01,990 --> 00:25:59,039
this is about people speaking their mind

556
00:26:04,070 --> 00:26:02,000
sharing experiences and trying to figure

557
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:04,080
out what is going on it didn't matter

558
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,039
your background who you were your age

559
00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:10,080
your sex none of that mattered

560
00:26:14,870 --> 00:26:11,919
it was open

561
00:26:17,029 --> 00:26:14,880
an open community now

562
00:26:18,870 --> 00:26:17,039
we've been infiltrated right where it's

563
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:18,880
and it's just it's the same thing it's

564
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:21,120
across the board it doesn't matter

565
00:26:25,029 --> 00:26:23,120
what part of the world you're in what

566
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:25,039
part of social media you're dealing with

567
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,640
what your hobbies are what your things

568
00:26:29,269 --> 00:26:28,320
are what you do for employment doesn't

569
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,279
matter

570
00:26:34,230 --> 00:26:30,880
it's everywhere

571
00:26:36,230 --> 00:26:34,240
and it is now part of our ufo community

572
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:36,240
and the

573
00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,440
the overarching view

574
00:26:46,230 --> 00:26:41,840
of the ufo community

575
00:26:47,350 --> 00:26:46,240
was we are trying to find answers

576
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:47,360
that's it

577
00:26:52,630 --> 00:26:49,840
that's the goal here

578
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,640
the goal was never to fight and and

579
00:26:58,070 --> 00:26:54,880
point fingers and

580
00:26:59,990 --> 00:26:58,080
cause trouble and and no no we always

581
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,000
you're always gonna have

582
00:27:04,950 --> 00:27:03,120
the the bad apple of course you're gonna

583
00:27:07,590 --> 00:27:04,960
have that bad apple in any group or

584
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:07,600
community or town or city or country it

585
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:09,120
doesn't matter

586
00:27:12,390 --> 00:27:11,279
it's the bell curve

587
00:27:15,110 --> 00:27:12,400
but

588
00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:15,120
the ufo community we pleased ourselves

589
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:16,480
and

590
00:27:21,110 --> 00:27:18,799
the bad apples found their way to the

591
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,120
door and

592
00:27:26,710 --> 00:27:24,240
we always had an open mind and open

593
00:27:28,389 --> 00:27:26,720
conversation in this community

594
00:27:29,750 --> 00:27:28,399
and there are those out there that don't

595
00:27:31,830 --> 00:27:29,760
want that now

596
00:27:36,630 --> 00:27:31,840
they don't want you

597
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:38,870
think about that

598
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,600
what is what is going on now

599
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:44,159
why would that be happening

600
00:27:46,950 --> 00:27:45,919
i think it's external forces to be

601
00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:46,960
honest with you i don't think it's

602
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:49,360
people from the ufo community that don't

603
00:27:54,149 --> 00:27:51,600
want you to have your own thought

604
00:27:55,669 --> 00:27:54,159
it's that we've been infiltrated

605
00:27:58,230 --> 00:27:55,679
and now

606
00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,240
i don't spend

607
00:28:03,430 --> 00:28:00,720
my time on social media i don't have the

608
00:28:07,750 --> 00:28:03,440
time to spend my time on social media so

609
00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:10,470
but what i do get is email what i do get

610
00:28:15,909 --> 00:28:13,200
is phone calls what i do get is private

611
00:28:18,870 --> 00:28:15,919
messages uh from people did you see this

612
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:18,880
did you hear did you did did you

613
00:28:22,789 --> 00:28:20,720
i'm thinking to myself where is this

614
00:28:25,350 --> 00:28:22,799
coming from

615
00:28:29,830 --> 00:28:25,360
why is this happening

616
00:28:30,710 --> 00:28:29,840
and all at the same time

617
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:30,720
that

618
00:28:35,190 --> 00:28:34,080
we are having ufo hearings on capitol

619
00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:35,200
hill

620
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:37,520
right we're having this huge movement

621
00:28:41,110 --> 00:28:40,159
forward we're having discussions going

622
00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:41,120
down

623
00:28:46,149 --> 00:28:44,640
not only in in public on on capitol hill

624
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:46,159
but in the media

625
00:28:52,149 --> 00:28:48,159
like i mean like for real

626
00:28:54,149 --> 00:28:52,159
right and this this thing is happening

627
00:28:56,310 --> 00:28:54,159
apparently

628
00:28:57,590 --> 00:28:56,320
somebody doesn't like it

629
00:28:59,430 --> 00:28:57,600
now i know that there's going to be

630
00:29:02,389 --> 00:28:59,440
opposing forces

631
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:02,399
but it is very very strange to me

632
00:29:07,110 --> 00:29:05,200
because i can assure you the people in

633
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:07,120
this community that have been at this

634
00:29:13,269 --> 00:29:10,559
for a long time that if an experiencer

635
00:29:16,070 --> 00:29:13,279
of 40 or 50 years

636
00:29:18,470 --> 00:29:16,080
that has been just out there trying to

637
00:29:20,149 --> 00:29:18,480
figure out what is going on

638
00:29:21,669 --> 00:29:20,159
is not

639
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,679
questioning

640
00:29:25,669 --> 00:29:23,360
is is not

641
00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:25,679
causing trouble

642
00:29:29,029 --> 00:29:27,919
no no we we need to move this thing

643
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:29,039
forward

644
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,919
so

645
00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:32,000
that's my point

646
00:29:37,750 --> 00:29:34,240
about memorial day

647
00:29:40,070 --> 00:29:37,760
it used to be it didn't matter

648
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:40,080
and now all of a sudden it matters who

649
00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:44,640
you are no our voices are our own

650
00:29:51,510 --> 00:29:46,880
that's it and it's the same thing in the

651
00:29:55,350 --> 00:29:51,520
ufo community it used to feel different

652
00:29:58,630 --> 00:29:55,360
and there is there is a direct attempt

653
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:58,640
right now to get us fighting

654
00:30:02,630 --> 00:30:00,000
and i just don't think it's going to be

655
00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:02,640
successful that's not who the ufo

656
00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:03,919
community is

657
00:30:08,070 --> 00:30:05,120
it's not

658
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:08,080
so think about that this is memorial day

659
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:09,840
and uh yeah stephen oh i think with

660
00:30:12,070 --> 00:30:11,200
stephen said uh

661
00:30:15,029 --> 00:30:12,080
um

662
00:30:16,630 --> 00:30:15,039
uh there is no happy memorial day yeah

663
00:30:18,710 --> 00:30:16,640
there is

664
00:30:21,350 --> 00:30:18,720
and you want me to tell you why

665
00:30:23,510 --> 00:30:21,360
the fact that i am able

666
00:30:25,510 --> 00:30:23,520
to speak to you tonight

667
00:30:28,149 --> 00:30:25,520
is because somebody out there made sure

668
00:30:30,470 --> 00:30:28,159
our freedom stayed in place

669
00:30:32,310 --> 00:30:30,480
think about that and if you are a voice

670
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:32,320
of dissent

671
00:30:38,149 --> 00:30:36,000
and maybe you are against all of that

672
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:38,159
well you are able to speak that voice of

673
00:30:43,029 --> 00:30:40,880
dissent because somebody has allowed

674
00:30:45,430 --> 00:30:43,039
that to happen

675
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,440
and has has given the ultra sacrifice

676
00:30:49,830 --> 00:30:48,080
the ultimate sacrifice for that so think

677
00:30:52,389 --> 00:30:49,840
about that that's why

678
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:52,399
this is memorial day and i am here with

679
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,480
you this is faded black i'm yours jimmy

680
00:30:59,350 --> 00:30:56,640
church tonight on this very program live

681
00:31:00,070 --> 00:30:59,360
from australia ross culthart is joining

682
00:31:04,789 --> 00:31:00,080
us

683
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:04,799
capitol hill ufo hearing i'm going to

684
00:31:09,750 --> 00:31:08,159
get ross's full analysis

685
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:09,760
and then some tonight tomorrow night

686
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:11,360
billy carson is here we're going to be

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talking about the black knight satellite

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church

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what a great week we have here on fade

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to black tonight ross cauldhart joins us

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live from australia tomorrow night billy

784
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carson is with us wednesday night john

785
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burroughs is here

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night with open lines all night long

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ross is an investigative journalist

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most recently for australian news and

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current affairs program 60 minutes on

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channel nine he has won five prestigious

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walking journalism awards including the

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most coveted top award for australian

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journalism the gold walkway his

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broadcast television investigative

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journalism has also won the top

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broadcast award ology in 2002 ross won

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the gold medal at the new york film

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festival for best international report

800
00:37:02,710 --> 00:37:00,240
with renowned filmmaker max stahl he is

801
00:37:04,790 --> 00:37:02,720
also the co-author of the two

802
00:37:07,829 --> 00:37:04,800
best-selling books dead man running and

803
00:37:11,430 --> 00:37:07,839
above the law both exposes of organized

804
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crime in australia with motorcycle gangs

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his latest book of course is in plain

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sight an investigation into ufos and

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impossible science where he reveals a

808
00:37:23,990 --> 00:37:21,119
story largely ignored by mainstream

809
00:37:26,470 --> 00:37:24,000
media but right there in front of our

810
00:37:29,190 --> 00:37:26,480
eyes i would like to welcome back to

811
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,200
fade to black live from australia

812
00:37:32,950 --> 00:37:31,680
ross colthardt ross good evening man how

813
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:32,960
you doing

814
00:37:37,190 --> 00:37:35,440
g'day jimmy how are you mate

815
00:37:40,310 --> 00:37:37,200
you already know you're you're a time

816
00:37:42,230 --> 00:37:40,320
traveler come on ross

817
00:37:43,750 --> 00:37:42,240
it's nice to be back it's a very

818
00:37:46,310 --> 00:37:43,760
interesting time too in the whole

819
00:37:48,710 --> 00:37:46,320
subject matter of uaps isn't it goodness

820
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,720
me who would have thought who would have

821
00:37:51,829 --> 00:37:50,400
thought that a year ago

822
00:37:53,670 --> 00:37:51,839
we would have seen

823
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:53,680
members of america's intelligence

824
00:37:59,430 --> 00:37:57,040
services being called before a public

825
00:38:03,270 --> 00:37:59,440
hearing of the congress yes momentous

826
00:38:05,109 --> 00:38:03,280
times yeah and and i remember uh it was

827
00:38:06,390 --> 00:38:05,119
about a year ago uh when you were on

828
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,400
this show

829
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,960
and how excited we were about what was

830
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:10,800
going on back then

831
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:13,040
right we had the uap task force report

832
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:15,440
about to launch we knew about that and

833
00:38:20,230 --> 00:38:18,240
and your book had just come out and your

834
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,240
documentary you know had just been

835
00:38:24,069 --> 00:38:22,160
released over in australia and there

836
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:24,079
were big things happening

837
00:38:29,670 --> 00:38:26,560
but we had no clue did we had no idea

838
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:29,680
that a year a year from then

839
00:38:33,349 --> 00:38:31,760
we will be talking like we are right now

840
00:38:35,430 --> 00:38:33,359
it's incredible

841
00:38:37,349 --> 00:38:35,440
it is amazing i mean i i think we should

842
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:37,359
acknowledge although you'll soon find

843
00:38:41,349 --> 00:38:39,359
out i'm very skeptical and cynical about

844
00:38:44,109 --> 00:38:41,359
what took place in congress last week i

845
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,119
think we should acknowledge the awesome

846
00:38:49,510 --> 00:38:46,480
momentousness of the fact that for the

847
00:38:53,349 --> 00:38:49,520
first time in 54 years there's been

848
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,359
public hearings in the congress on uaps

849
00:38:57,430 --> 00:38:55,200
and people aren't giggling into their

850
00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:57,440
napkins anymore anytime the subject of

851
00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:01,520
ufos uaps comes up it's now as a result

852
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,240
of the uap task force report that was

853
00:39:09,430 --> 00:39:06,720
tabled in your congress last year

854
00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:09,440
it is now official that there are

855
00:39:15,670 --> 00:39:13,520
complete reversal on 75 years of denial

856
00:39:19,109 --> 00:39:15,680
and we are now looking at a us

857
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:19,119
government that officially admits uaps

858
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:20,320
are real

859
00:39:24,950 --> 00:39:22,880
they are potentially a national security

860
00:39:26,470 --> 00:39:24,960
issue and they are definitely a flight

861
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:26,480
safety issue

862
00:39:32,069 --> 00:39:29,280
and i guess in that context we went into

863
00:39:34,069 --> 00:39:32,079
last week's hearing optimistic possibly

864
00:39:36,470 --> 00:39:34,079
a little bit too optimistic that what we

865
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:36,480
were going to see was a a supine

866
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,880
rollover by the defense and intelligence

867
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:41,440
services in your country and admitting

868
00:39:46,230 --> 00:39:44,400
what frankly i think many people suspect

869
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,240
which is that the u s government knows a

870
00:39:51,510 --> 00:39:48,400
lot more than it's letting on

871
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:51,520
i have to admit i came away from last

872
00:39:54,230 --> 00:39:52,480
week's

873
00:39:57,510 --> 00:39:54,240
congressional hearing with the two

874
00:40:00,069 --> 00:39:57,520
witnesses ronald moultrie and scott bray

875
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:00,079
sadly with the impression that they were

876
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:03,119
walking back from many of the statements

877
00:40:07,030 --> 00:40:05,119
that had been made key statements and

878
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:07,040
findings that had been made

879
00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:10,800
by their own uap task force i got a

880
00:40:16,950 --> 00:40:13,680
sense of hubris perhaps even

881
00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:16,960
dare i say arrogance the two officials

882
00:40:21,030 --> 00:40:19,040
were kind of put out of the idea that

883
00:40:23,829 --> 00:40:21,040
they were having to account to congress

884
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:23,839
for this

885
00:40:28,230 --> 00:40:26,640
flippant issue of uaps when they're

886
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,240
weighed down with the more momentous

887
00:40:33,430 --> 00:40:31,200
issues of the moment such as ukraine

888
00:40:35,750 --> 00:40:33,440
it would have been good i think to see

889
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:35,760
two intelligence officials come into the

890
00:40:38,630 --> 00:40:36,880
congress

891
00:40:40,150 --> 00:40:38,640
more prepared

892
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:40,160
better briefed

893
00:40:44,870 --> 00:40:42,800
and more able to ask answer questions

894
00:40:47,030 --> 00:40:44,880
because i i was left with the very

895
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:47,040
strong impression that they hadn't done

896
00:40:50,630 --> 00:40:48,480
any research

897
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:50,640
they really hadn't done any preparation

898
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:51,599
at all

899
00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:53,280
and they were two of the most

900
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:55,599
ill-informed intelligence officials who

901
00:41:00,550 --> 00:40:57,599
you could possibly have put before a

902
00:41:02,870 --> 00:41:00,560
congressional committee one would ask uh

903
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:02,880
was that done by design and we can

904
00:41:09,910 --> 00:41:06,720
certainly circle back to that um let me

905
00:41:12,790 --> 00:41:09,920
let me ask you about the moment

906
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:12,800
um because i think that you just gave an

907
00:41:16,950 --> 00:41:14,880
overall assessment after the fact where

908
00:41:18,309 --> 00:41:16,960
you've had a chance to stop and and

909
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:18,319
think about things

910
00:41:23,670 --> 00:41:21,200
but what were what was uh

911
00:41:26,069 --> 00:41:23,680
what was your mindset going into it

912
00:41:28,470 --> 00:41:26,079
what were your expectations

913
00:41:30,470 --> 00:41:28,480
look i've been told by sources to temper

914
00:41:32,150 --> 00:41:30,480
my expectations uh one of the

915
00:41:33,510 --> 00:41:32,160
explanations that i'm being given at the

916
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:33,520
moment is

917
00:41:38,710 --> 00:41:36,000
we're in a war at the moment it's not a

918
00:41:41,190 --> 00:41:38,720
declared war but frankly this is a proxy

919
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:41,200
war that's being fought with russia

920
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:43,200
another nuclear nation and we're

921
00:41:49,510 --> 00:41:45,440
fighting it through ukraine

922
00:41:51,990 --> 00:41:49,520
and billions of dollars of resources and

923
00:41:53,990 --> 00:41:52,000
money expenditure is being devoted

924
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,000
towards making sure that america is

925
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:56,000
dominant in ukraine

926
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,160
and as a result of that i think a lot of

927
00:42:03,510 --> 00:42:00,640
the priorities particularly the focus on

928
00:42:04,550 --> 00:42:03,520
uaps that was very much an issue last

929
00:42:05,990 --> 00:42:04,560
year

930
00:42:09,349 --> 00:42:06,000
are being

931
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:09,359
pushed gently to the edge of the desk

932
00:42:13,990 --> 00:42:11,520
and i don't think that's fair i i think

933
00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,000
the the issue that comes out and i was

934
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:16,560
warned about before the hearing was

935
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,680
the heat

936
00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,000
really does need to be kept on we need

937
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:22,400
to hold these people to the fire

938
00:42:27,589 --> 00:42:25,280
and uh it's not enough now that this

939
00:42:28,829 --> 00:42:27,599
matter is now before congress

940
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,839
congressmen and women the

941
00:42:33,910 --> 00:42:31,440
representatives the senators they need

942
00:42:36,870 --> 00:42:33,920
to hear from the public that they regard

943
00:42:39,030 --> 00:42:36,880
this as an issue that is a voting issue

944
00:42:41,109 --> 00:42:39,040
it's an issue that matters to them and

945
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,119
that they want to see a result they want

946
00:42:46,390 --> 00:42:43,440
to see questions being asked that that

947
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:46,400
do actually get to the nub of the issue

948
00:42:51,349 --> 00:42:49,760
frankly that wasn't done last week uh

949
00:42:53,910 --> 00:42:51,359
whatever you think of how these

950
00:42:56,550 --> 00:42:53,920
representatives conducted themselves

951
00:42:59,030 --> 00:42:56,560
frankly i think they did a lousy job in

952
00:43:02,230 --> 00:42:59,040
asking questions the

953
00:43:03,910 --> 00:43:02,240
the opening statement um okay

954
00:43:05,510 --> 00:43:03,920
let's talk about andre carson for a

955
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:05,520
second um

956
00:43:11,670 --> 00:43:08,720
what was interesting for me was his

957
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:11,680
tweet that came out a few days prior

958
00:43:14,470 --> 00:43:12,960
to the hearing

959
00:43:16,069 --> 00:43:14,480
where he

960
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:16,079
expressly

961
00:43:21,589 --> 00:43:19,200
inserted ufos into that tweet he didn't

962
00:43:24,150 --> 00:43:21,599
say uaps he said unidentified aerial

963
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:24,160
phenomenon and then per in parentheses

964
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:26,800
he said ufos and

965
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:29,119
and i thought that that was pretty

966
00:43:33,270 --> 00:43:31,440
interesting where he wasn't he wanted

967
00:43:35,829 --> 00:43:33,280
the public know to know

968
00:43:38,870 --> 00:43:35,839
this is about ufos and you know what

969
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:38,880
ufos are all right so he he he does the

970
00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:41,920
tweet and then he comes uh with his

971
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:43,440
opening statement

972
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:46,800
and uh out of the gate brings up blue

973
00:43:50,870 --> 00:43:47,760
book

974
00:43:52,630 --> 00:43:50,880
and mentions roswell now this is before

975
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,640
the the hearing happened right this is

976
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:54,960
his opening statement and i thought to

977
00:43:57,910 --> 00:43:56,240
myself

978
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:57,920
okay

979
00:44:03,430 --> 00:44:00,880
this is what they want to talk about

980
00:44:04,790 --> 00:44:03,440
is that the feeling that you got from on

981
00:44:06,870 --> 00:44:04,800
do you think that that's what andre

982
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:06,880
carson wanted

983
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:09,200
look i think he was he's a politician he

984
00:44:12,950 --> 00:44:11,119
was playing to his audience and i i

985
00:44:14,870 --> 00:44:12,960
think what we have to acknowledge here

986
00:44:17,030 --> 00:44:14,880
is the only reason these congressional

987
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,040
hearings are happening is because the

988
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:20,160
wheel that squeaks gets the grease the

989
00:44:25,670 --> 00:44:24,480
public have said they think ufos uaps

990
00:44:27,190 --> 00:44:25,680
are an issue

991
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:27,200
and they've told that to their

992
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:28,319
congressmen and women their

993
00:44:32,390 --> 00:44:31,040
representatives and their senators and

994
00:44:34,230 --> 00:44:32,400
it's interesting because some of these

995
00:44:36,470 --> 00:44:34,240
people are presidential candidates

996
00:44:38,790 --> 00:44:36,480
they're presidential aspirants these are

997
00:44:40,630 --> 00:44:38,800
people who wouldn't risk their political

998
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:40,640
careers by straying

999
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:42,560
into territory that historically has

1000
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,440
been treated with stigma and ridicule

1001
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:48,000
and the reason why and the subtext to

1002
00:44:53,430 --> 00:44:50,960
all of this jimmy is i've been talking

1003
00:44:56,150 --> 00:44:53,440
to staffers and indeed some of the

1004
00:44:57,750 --> 00:44:56,160
representatives who who are hopefully

1005
00:44:59,430 --> 00:44:57,760
going to be able to ask some of the more

1006
00:45:01,349 --> 00:44:59,440
scabrous questions that are going to

1007
00:45:03,990 --> 00:45:01,359
come up

1008
00:45:07,109 --> 00:45:04,000
and what has motivated them what has

1009
00:45:08,790 --> 00:45:07,119
changed them isn't so much the public

1010
00:45:11,030 --> 00:45:08,800
telling them we want this herd in

1011
00:45:14,390 --> 00:45:11,040
congress that plays a role

1012
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:14,400
what has motivated them is very clever

1013
00:45:18,870 --> 00:45:17,200
briefings lobbying and presentation of

1014
00:45:22,950 --> 00:45:18,880
evidence that have been done

1015
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:22,960
in private hearings since at least 2018

1016
00:45:28,470 --> 00:45:26,079
by people like louis lozando

1017
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:28,480
christopher mellon they've quietly

1018
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:31,040
behind the scenes been using their

1019
00:45:34,550 --> 00:45:32,800
understanding of the congress to

1020
00:45:37,430 --> 00:45:34,560
approach individual congressmen and

1021
00:45:40,390 --> 00:45:37,440
women individual senators and to explain

1022
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,400
to them why this issue is a national

1023
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:44,390
what

1024
00:45:48,390 --> 00:45:46,880
i had a conversation with one individual

1025
00:45:51,190 --> 00:45:48,400
who told me that

1026
00:45:52,470 --> 00:45:51,200
when they walked out of

1027
00:45:56,069 --> 00:45:52,480
seeing

1028
00:46:00,309 --> 00:45:56,079
one of the videos that they'd been shown

1029
00:46:02,630 --> 00:46:00,319
in a secure skiff security

1030
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,640
secure compartmentalized information

1031
00:46:07,190 --> 00:46:04,400
facility one of the rooms that they used

1032
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,200
to brief congressmen and women and

1033
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:09,040
senators

1034
00:46:14,309 --> 00:46:11,680
they said their world had changed

1035
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,319
because of what they'd seen now the

1036
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:16,640
thing that i thought was most telling

1037
00:46:21,430 --> 00:46:19,520
wasn't the reference to roswell in andre

1038
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:21,440
carson's opening

1039
00:46:26,790 --> 00:46:24,000
it was the fact that the default video

1040
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:26,800
that they defaulted to was possibly i'm

1041
00:46:31,270 --> 00:46:30,160
told the least interesting video in the

1042
00:46:33,670 --> 00:46:31,280
cupboard

1043
00:46:35,190 --> 00:46:33,680
that that of all the videos that they

1044
00:46:37,349 --> 00:46:35,200
could have selected

1045
00:46:39,030 --> 00:46:37,359
they one they weren't prepared they

1046
00:46:41,190 --> 00:46:39,040
hadn't actually provided a way to

1047
00:46:42,790 --> 00:46:41,200
actually freeze on the object that they

1048
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:42,800
were saying was represented in that

1049
00:46:46,630 --> 00:46:45,440
video which was essentially a blurry

1050
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:46,640
metallic

1051
00:46:51,910 --> 00:46:49,200
sphere that zooms by an aircraft a

1052
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:51,920
fighter aircraft at high speed

1053
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:54,480
the key issue was that was one of the

1054
00:47:00,069 --> 00:46:57,359
least interesting videos i'm told of

1055
00:47:01,829 --> 00:47:00,079
what the congress has been shown

1056
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,839
why did they do that why did they

1057
00:47:05,270 --> 00:47:03,839
deliberately pick a video that was the

1058
00:47:07,430 --> 00:47:05,280
most banal

1059
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,440
uninteresting of the lot the one that

1060
00:47:11,990 --> 00:47:09,520
gave the debunkers an opportunity to go

1061
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:12,000
oh is that the best you've got seriously

1062
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:13,599
this is not going to be more blurry

1063
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,960
videos is it

1064
00:47:19,750 --> 00:47:16,800
when i'm told i mean i've spoken to

1065
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:19,760
people who've seen the 23-minute video

1066
00:47:24,630 --> 00:47:21,680
that this apocryphal video that is

1067
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:24,640
apparently incredibly high definition

1068
00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:27,839
which shows a very clear structured

1069
00:47:33,589 --> 00:47:32,160
craft a machine a technological object

1070
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,599
in the air

1071
00:47:38,870 --> 00:47:36,240
taken by a u s military pilot

1072
00:47:39,870 --> 00:47:38,880
detected by the way on multiple sensor

1073
00:47:43,030 --> 00:47:39,880
systems

1074
00:47:44,870 --> 00:47:43,040
incontrovertibly a solid object a piece

1075
00:47:47,430 --> 00:47:44,880
of technology

1076
00:47:49,990 --> 00:47:47,440
what i got worried about by the um the

1077
00:47:52,710 --> 00:47:50,000
way the the hearing was conducted

1078
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,720
was i got the distinct impression that

1079
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:54,960
what the two witnesses were trying to do

1080
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:57,680
was walk back from the admissions that

1081
00:48:04,069 --> 00:48:00,480
had actually been made by their own uap

1082
00:48:06,630 --> 00:48:04,079
task force in june last year

1083
00:48:09,670 --> 00:48:06,640
an absolutely momentous acknowledgement

1084
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:09,680
was made by the uap task force that one

1085
00:48:12,870 --> 00:48:11,359
possibility that was open for

1086
00:48:14,470 --> 00:48:12,880
consideration

1087
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,480
was that the technology that we were

1088
00:48:17,510 --> 00:48:15,920
looking at here

1089
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:17,520
it's not russian

1090
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:20,960
it's not chinese it's not american

1091
00:48:25,030 --> 00:48:23,520
public or black technology

1092
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:25,040
it's someone else's

1093
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:26,160
potentially

1094
00:48:30,069 --> 00:48:29,040
something else's perhaps some other

1095
00:48:31,910 --> 00:48:30,079
beings

1096
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:31,920
we just don't know

1097
00:48:38,309 --> 00:48:35,280
and what i was really struck by from the

1098
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,319
the hearing last week was the sense that

1099
00:48:41,670 --> 00:48:40,319
frankly

1100
00:48:43,030 --> 00:48:41,680
they were giving the public the

1101
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:43,040
impression look

1102
00:48:47,109 --> 00:48:44,559
you know we're pulling out of the draw

1103
00:48:49,030 --> 00:48:47,119
one of these kind of videos and look at

1104
00:48:51,510 --> 00:48:49,040
this you know really

1105
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:51,520
i i really wasn't given the impression

1106
00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:54,079
that either man was sincere

1107
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:55,520
well briefed

1108
00:49:00,390 --> 00:48:58,960
or across their brief at all in any way

1109
00:49:03,349 --> 00:49:00,400
in what they were presenting to the

1110
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:03,359
congress and frankly i i thought the the

1111
00:49:08,549 --> 00:49:05,119
both their

1112
00:49:10,710 --> 00:49:08,559
conduct of themselves they were either

1113
00:49:12,150 --> 00:49:10,720
badly briefed badly informed

1114
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:12,160
ill-prepared

1115
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:13,599
or worse

1116
00:49:18,950 --> 00:49:16,079
they came in with an intention to

1117
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:18,960
mislead and deceive and i sincerely hope

1118
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:20,480
that's not the case

1119
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:21,839
you know here we are what is it it's

1120
00:49:26,150 --> 00:49:23,839
memorial day over your way in america

1121
00:49:28,069 --> 00:49:26,160
where you honor your fallen dead

1122
00:49:29,270 --> 00:49:28,079
i had a private tier for a good friend

1123
00:49:31,109 --> 00:49:29,280
of mine

1124
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:31,119
lieutenant colonel lieutenant colonel

1125
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:32,720
todd clark who passed away in

1126
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,359
afghanistan a few years back

1127
00:49:38,790 --> 00:49:37,440
and i was thinking of his family

1128
00:49:41,829 --> 00:49:38,800
and i'm thinking of the service men and

1129
00:49:44,230 --> 00:49:41,839
women all around the world who've served

1130
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,240
for your country and those who've served

1131
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:46,319
in my country

1132
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:48,319
and at the heart

1133
00:49:53,829 --> 00:49:51,359
of why we're having these hearings

1134
00:49:55,270 --> 00:49:53,839
is because of a concern for our fighting

1135
00:49:57,430 --> 00:49:55,280
men and women

1136
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:57,440
that this is being acknowledged for the

1137
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,720
first time as a potential national

1138
00:50:05,030 --> 00:50:02,720
security threat

1139
00:50:07,829 --> 00:50:05,040
now i know that there are those of the

1140
00:50:10,630 --> 00:50:07,839
greer faction who assert that everything

1141
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,640
ufo uap is cuddly and lovely and that we

1142
00:50:15,030 --> 00:50:12,880
can just warmly embrace whatever they

1143
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:15,040
are whatever the phenomenon is

1144
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:16,559
but i don't think we're in a position to

1145
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,400
be able to assert that

1146
00:50:24,390 --> 00:50:21,200
because fundamentally anything jimmy

1147
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:24,400
that represents a superior technology to

1148
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,800
the technology possessed by your country

1149
00:50:31,270 --> 00:50:28,960
of which my country is an ally a very

1150
00:50:32,710 --> 00:50:31,280
loyal and friendly ally

1151
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,720
it's a threat

1152
00:50:36,230 --> 00:50:34,559
and we need to get to the bottom of that

1153
00:50:38,069 --> 00:50:36,240
and i couldn't think of a better day to

1154
00:50:40,390 --> 00:50:38,079
be having a discussion like this with

1155
00:50:43,349 --> 00:50:40,400
somebody like yourself on a platform

1156
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:43,359
like yours where we can talk about why

1157
00:50:47,190 --> 00:50:45,040
this matters

1158
00:50:49,750 --> 00:50:47,200
because it does matter

1159
00:50:51,670 --> 00:50:49,760
jimmy people have died in engagements

1160
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,680
with uaps

1161
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:53,440
you know it's a matter of public record

1162
00:50:58,950 --> 00:50:56,319
from the uk condyne report that russian

1163
00:51:01,589 --> 00:50:58,960
pilots have died i've been briefed by

1164
00:51:02,950 --> 00:51:01,599
people about american pilots

1165
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:02,960
passing away in the course of

1166
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:05,920
engagements with uaps or at least never

1167
00:51:09,270 --> 00:51:07,440
being seen again

1168
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:09,280
this is a reality

1169
00:51:13,430 --> 00:51:11,359
and yet we sweep it under the carpet we

1170
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:13,440
turn a blind eye to it there's a

1171
00:51:18,230 --> 00:51:15,440
phenomenon out there an anomalous

1172
00:51:20,829 --> 00:51:18,240
phenomenon out there a technology

1173
00:51:23,589 --> 00:51:20,839
which cannot yet be

1174
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:23,599
explained and all i saw frankly from the

1175
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:25,520
two witnesses before the congress last

1176
00:51:30,470 --> 00:51:26,720
week was

1177
00:51:31,910 --> 00:51:30,480
sadly a disingenuous response

1178
00:51:34,870 --> 00:51:31,920
if they claimed

1179
00:51:36,870 --> 00:51:34,880
if they were i just cut you off ross i i

1180
00:51:38,309 --> 00:51:36,880
apologize for that but i want to stay on

1181
00:51:40,630 --> 00:51:38,319
your thought here

1182
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:40,640
because if they were genuine and i'm

1183
00:51:48,950 --> 00:51:44,079
talking about uh uh bray and moultrie

1184
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:48,960
then that video would have been prepared

1185
00:51:52,150 --> 00:51:51,280
you're in front of you're on capitol

1186
00:51:54,870 --> 00:51:52,160
hill

1187
00:51:57,349 --> 00:51:54,880
so you have your easels in back of you

1188
00:51:59,430 --> 00:51:57,359
you've got your freeze frame posters

1189
00:52:02,230 --> 00:51:59,440
that you're putting up and you're

1190
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,240
showing examples of from the video and

1191
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:04,480
what you need to look at the still frame

1192
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,119
you have a slow motion set up you have

1193
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,680
that ready to go and you are prepared

1194
00:52:14,069 --> 00:52:11,520
you can't go into a court of law and

1195
00:52:16,150 --> 00:52:14,079
this is testimony right

1196
00:52:18,230 --> 00:52:16,160
unprepared

1197
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:18,240
you're not gonna do that and and that's

1198
00:52:24,069 --> 00:52:20,800
exactly what they did do

1199
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:24,079
and i feel that um they woke up that

1200
00:52:26,230 --> 00:52:25,200
morning

1201
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:26,240
thinking

1202
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:28,240
two things one

1203
00:52:32,790 --> 00:52:30,839
this is going to be a series of

1204
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:32,800
softballs we're going to be able to

1205
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:34,079
phone this in

1206
00:52:38,790 --> 00:52:36,800
it's no big deal and two

1207
00:52:40,950 --> 00:52:38,800
we got to show a video all right so

1208
00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:40,960
let's just open up a folder and pick one

1209
00:52:44,549 --> 00:52:41,839
out

1210
00:52:47,430 --> 00:52:44,559
and i i think that was probably and i'm

1211
00:52:50,790 --> 00:52:47,440
pretty sure occam's razor is on my side

1212
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:50,800
right that this is that's the simplest

1213
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:52,559
the simplest

1214
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,599
idea of what actually went down and i'm

1215
00:52:59,430 --> 00:52:57,839
feeling pretty confident in that

1216
00:53:02,470 --> 00:52:59,440
you know one of the most telling moments

1217
00:53:05,750 --> 00:53:02,480
for me jimmy was when

1218
00:53:09,349 --> 00:53:05,760
they were being asked about the link

1219
00:53:11,109 --> 00:53:09,359
between uaps and nuclear weapons and you

1220
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:11,119
and i spoke about this i told you when

1221
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,359
we first met last year i told you about

1222
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:15,280
how there are installations in my

1223
00:53:17,270 --> 00:53:16,400
country

1224
00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:17,280
where

1225
00:53:20,630 --> 00:53:18,400
objects

1226
00:53:22,470 --> 00:53:20,640
are noted in our national archives in

1227
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:22,480
defence department files that have been

1228
00:53:28,069 --> 00:53:25,520
declassified strange anomalous solid

1229
00:53:31,190 --> 00:53:28,079
objects have been seen hovering at a

1230
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:31,200
time of higher defcon alert over

1231
00:53:35,829 --> 00:53:33,920
facilities that we know america uses to

1232
00:53:37,270 --> 00:53:35,839
communicate with its nuclear submarines

1233
00:53:38,390 --> 00:53:37,280
on my territory on my country's

1234
00:53:41,030 --> 00:53:38,400
territory

1235
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:41,040
we know that there is recorded incidents

1236
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:42,480
right across the world

1237
00:53:48,069 --> 00:53:45,839
of interactions between uaps ufos

1238
00:53:50,710 --> 00:53:48,079
whatever the heck they are and nuclear

1239
00:53:52,230 --> 00:53:50,720
weapons my good friend robert hastings

1240
00:53:54,950 --> 00:53:52,240
has

1241
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:54,960
written a fantastic book called ufos and

1242
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:57,359
nukes which exposed

1243
00:54:04,710 --> 00:54:01,200
the extent of icbm missile silos that

1244
00:54:08,069 --> 00:54:04,720
had been visited by anomalous objects

1245
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:08,079
and i interviewed for my documentary

1246
00:54:13,430 --> 00:54:11,280
a lovely bloke called robert salas who

1247
00:54:15,510 --> 00:54:13,440
was a lieutenant

1248
00:54:19,190 --> 00:54:15,520
uh i think lieutenant or a captain in

1249
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,200
the u.s air force commanding an icbm

1250
00:54:23,190 --> 00:54:21,680
silo at malmstrom air force base in the

1251
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:23,200
1970s

1252
00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:25,040
this is an incident that has been given

1253
00:54:28,630 --> 00:54:27,040
evidence about before

1254
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,640
this is an incident that is well

1255
00:54:34,069 --> 00:54:30,960
recorded this is an incident that

1256
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:34,079
frankly any individual working in

1257
00:54:39,510 --> 00:54:37,119
intelligence in the united states ought

1258
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:39,520
properly to know about

1259
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,680
and for those witnesses to assert as

1260
00:54:46,710 --> 00:54:44,160
they did that they weren't aware of

1261
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:46,720
malmstrom they weren't aware of ufos

1262
00:54:51,829 --> 00:54:49,280
engaging with nuclear weapons

1263
00:54:55,109 --> 00:54:51,839
to me frankly they just looked inept did

1264
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:55,119
you did you buy did you buy that denial

1265
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:57,119
you know when bray bray looked over at

1266
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:59,440
moultrie remember he goes you know about

1267
00:55:02,150 --> 00:55:00,559
monster

1268
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,160
moultrie's like what do you know about

1269
00:55:04,710 --> 00:55:03,839
nah i don't i don't know anything about

1270
00:55:06,870 --> 00:55:04,720
that

1271
00:55:08,549 --> 00:55:06,880
look oddly enough i do i mean we have a

1272
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,559
saying in my line of work which is

1273
00:55:13,430 --> 00:55:10,559
always assume a stuff up before a

1274
00:55:16,309 --> 00:55:13,440
conspiracy right i i do genuinely think

1275
00:55:18,230 --> 00:55:16,319
that it's often incompetence stupidity

1276
00:55:20,710 --> 00:55:18,240
is the best reason for why something

1277
00:55:22,549 --> 00:55:20,720
happens sure and often i mean i've done

1278
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:22,559
stories where bureaucrats have actually

1279
00:55:26,069 --> 00:55:24,240
said to me look ross i know it looks

1280
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,079
like a conspiracy and i know there's

1281
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,000
been a stuff up here but that's all it

1282
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:30,720
is it's a stuff-up they use stronger

1283
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,359
language sometimes in my country but the

1284
00:55:37,109 --> 00:55:35,599
the reality is i just think these guys

1285
00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:37,119
came in thinking it was all going to be

1286
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,440
a bit of a giggle they hadn't done any

1287
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:41,760
research they certainly hadn't read my

1288
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:43,839
book or listened to your podcasts at any

1289
00:55:48,150 --> 00:55:45,520
time jimmy and it would they'd be well

1290
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,160
advised to do so frankly i think a good

1291
00:55:52,710 --> 00:55:51,040
dose of fade to black or my podcast need

1292
00:55:53,910 --> 00:55:52,720
to know would be a really good lesson

1293
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:53,920
for them they should actually learn a

1294
00:55:58,470 --> 00:55:55,680
bit about their own history

1295
00:56:02,150 --> 00:55:58,480
because the us department of defense's

1296
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:02,160
own archives the cia's own archives the

1297
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:04,480
defense intelligence agency the nsa's

1298
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:07,760
own archives record a long history for

1299
00:56:12,470 --> 00:56:10,160
example of engagement between these

1300
00:56:15,190 --> 00:56:12,480
weird anomalous phenomena

1301
00:56:16,470 --> 00:56:15,200
and nuclear weapons so so that's one

1302
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:16,480
issue

1303
00:56:23,589 --> 00:56:20,880
custard was and this is another gotcha

1304
00:56:25,510 --> 00:56:23,599
moment where frankly i i really applaud

1305
00:56:27,190 --> 00:56:25,520
the one representative that did his job

1306
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:27,200
properly was um i think it was

1307
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:28,960
representative gallagher

1308
00:56:34,069 --> 00:56:31,920
and he he also asked about um

1309
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:34,079
the admiral wilson document

1310
00:56:37,829 --> 00:56:35,760
now for the benefit of your listeners

1311
00:56:40,549 --> 00:56:37,839
this is a document that

1312
00:56:42,549 --> 00:56:40,559
the admiral tom wilson the former head

1313
00:56:44,870 --> 00:56:42,559
of the defense intelligence agency i

1314
00:56:47,589 --> 00:56:44,880
preface everything here by saying he

1315
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:47,599
says this document is not genuine he

1316
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,599
says it's not true that the events

1317
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:51,760
recorded in it whether it didn't happen

1318
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:54,640
and that no such meeting took place

1319
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:56,880
but essentially it records an alleged

1320
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:59,520
meeting between dr eric davis now of the

1321
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:02,000
aerospace corporation an extremely well

1322
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:04,079
respected eminent highly qualified

1323
00:57:09,030 --> 00:57:06,799
astrophysicist and admiral tom wilson

1324
00:57:10,829 --> 00:57:09,040
the former immediately former director

1325
00:57:14,309 --> 00:57:10,839
of the defense intelligence

1326
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:14,319
agency and it was essentially the

1327
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:17,280
the final event in a long series of

1328
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:19,760
years of investigations into allegations

1329
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:22,559
that were precipitated by inquiries made

1330
00:57:26,789 --> 00:57:24,960
by dr stephen greer and his organization

1331
00:57:29,750 --> 00:57:26,799
the disclosure project

1332
00:57:31,589 --> 00:57:29,760
where they came across an nro national

1333
00:57:34,870 --> 00:57:31,599
reconnaissance office document that

1334
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:34,880
recorded the names of various code names

1335
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:36,720
of projects

1336
00:57:40,390 --> 00:57:37,599
and

1337
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:40,400
when grier showed this document to

1338
00:57:45,750 --> 00:57:43,680
admiral tom wilson who was then a deputy

1339
00:57:48,230 --> 00:57:45,760
director of the dia

1340
00:57:50,710 --> 00:57:48,240
in 1997.

1341
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,720
tom wilson reportedly according to five

1342
00:57:55,589 --> 00:57:52,720
people in the room pledged that he would

1343
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:55,599
go off and investigate the contents of

1344
00:57:58,390 --> 00:57:57,200
this document to see whether he could

1345
00:58:00,870 --> 00:57:58,400
identify

1346
00:58:02,390 --> 00:58:00,880
any of the code names behind

1347
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:02,400
that document

1348
00:58:05,030 --> 00:58:03,359
now

1349
00:58:07,270 --> 00:58:05,040
a good friend of mine who i have to use

1350
00:58:10,710 --> 00:58:07,280
a pseudonym for called the spaceman was

1351
00:58:13,589 --> 00:58:10,720
a very very close friend of

1352
00:58:15,910 --> 00:58:13,599
edgar mitchell the apollo 14 astronaut

1353
00:58:17,829 --> 00:58:15,920
the lunar module commander who who led a

1354
00:58:19,589 --> 00:58:17,839
lunar landing one of your most respected

1355
00:58:22,950 --> 00:58:19,599
national heroes

1356
00:58:24,710 --> 00:58:22,960
edgar mitchell is on record and has told

1357
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:24,720
my friend as well

1358
00:58:29,349 --> 00:58:27,359
that he was present when a phone

1359
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,359
conversation was had

1360
00:58:34,789 --> 00:58:31,839
with admiral tom wilson in weeks

1361
00:58:37,109 --> 00:58:34,799
subsequent to that 1997 military meeting

1362
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,119
where tom wilson described how his

1363
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:39,599
efforts to get to the bottom of these

1364
00:58:45,030 --> 00:58:42,319
code names were actively frustrated by

1365
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:45,040
people inside the defense department

1366
00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:47,920
and that he discovered that there was

1367
00:58:51,990 --> 00:58:50,319
indeed allegedly a secret program

1368
00:58:54,150 --> 00:58:52,000
operating within the united states

1369
00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:54,160
government to back engineer

1370
00:58:59,829 --> 00:58:58,000
non-human yes alien technology one hell

1371
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,839
of an allegation

1372
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,160
but as you and i both know a document

1373
00:59:07,109 --> 00:59:04,640
surfaced from the estate of dr indigo

1374
00:59:09,510 --> 00:59:07,119
mitchell in 2018

1375
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,520
and that was actually leaked by my

1376
00:59:13,270 --> 00:59:11,359
friend the spaceman who still has

1377
00:59:14,950 --> 00:59:13,280
possession of that document

1378
00:59:16,870 --> 00:59:14,960
and the spaceman told me that he was

1379
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,880
aware of the provenance of that document

1380
00:59:21,190 --> 00:59:18,400
that it came from edgar mitchell's

1381
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:21,200
personal archive and that it had been

1382
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,119
provided to

1383
00:59:27,750 --> 00:59:25,200
edgar mitchell when he was a member of

1384
00:59:30,390 --> 00:59:27,760
the science advisory board of the

1385
00:59:32,870 --> 00:59:30,400
national institute of discovery science

1386
00:59:35,670 --> 00:59:32,880
which was a body set up by

1387
00:59:37,829 --> 00:59:35,680
robert bigelow the space entrepreneur to

1388
00:59:40,230 --> 00:59:37,839
investigate this anomalous phenomena

1389
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:40,240
that we call uaps ufos and the

1390
00:59:44,789 --> 00:59:42,640
paranormal

1391
00:59:47,190 --> 00:59:44,799
anyway the long and the short of it was

1392
00:59:50,150 --> 00:59:47,200
that this document that was found inside

1393
00:59:52,390 --> 00:59:50,160
edgar mitchell's estate described

1394
00:59:55,270 --> 00:59:52,400
astonishing things astonishing

1395
00:59:57,190 --> 00:59:55,280
allegations and again i emphasize the

1396
00:59:59,030 --> 00:59:57,200
admiral the good admiral admiral tom

1397
01:00:01,030 --> 00:59:59,040
wilson who i respect by the way i think

1398
01:00:04,069 --> 01:00:01,040
he's an extremely honorable and decent

1399
01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:04,079
loyal patriotic american serviceman now

1400
01:00:06,870 --> 01:00:06,000
retired

1401
01:00:09,270 --> 01:00:06,880
he

1402
01:00:12,390 --> 01:00:09,280
allegedly according to this document

1403
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:12,400
described to dr eric davis whilst they

1404
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:14,319
were sitting in a car in a car park

1405
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:17,599
outside eg and g the people who serviced

1406
01:00:22,150 --> 01:00:19,920
area 51 at las vegas what an amazing

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location to have a conversation with

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janet airlines of all places right yeah

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01:00:30,150 --> 01:00:27,200
he he allegedly according to this

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01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:30,160
document described in a very long-winded

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01:00:32,950 --> 01:00:31,599
apparent transcript of their

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01:00:35,030 --> 01:00:32,960
conversation

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01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:35,040
a crash retrieval program that he had

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01:00:41,589 --> 01:00:38,559
discovered inside the u.s government

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01:00:43,109 --> 01:00:41,599
that was secretly hiding recovered

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01:00:46,069 --> 01:00:43,119
flying sources

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being secreted in private aerospace

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01:00:51,190 --> 01:00:48,480
hidden in a private aerospace company

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01:00:54,069 --> 01:00:51,200
behind special access programs that were

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plausibly denied by the us government

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01:00:57,990 --> 01:00:56,640
an incredible allegation

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01:01:00,950 --> 01:00:58,000
and

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01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:00,960
the incredible thing about it was

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01:01:06,309 --> 01:01:04,160
when confronted about this document

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01:01:08,549 --> 01:01:06,319
both the man who sent it to edgar

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01:01:10,950 --> 01:01:08,559
mitchell dr howell put off

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01:01:13,670 --> 01:01:10,960
and the man who purportedly wrote it dr

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01:01:15,030 --> 01:01:13,680
eric davis have never done anything to

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01:01:16,710 --> 01:01:15,040
deny

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01:01:18,710 --> 01:01:16,720
the truth and the veracity of its

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01:01:21,349 --> 01:01:18,720
authenticity

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01:01:23,190 --> 01:01:21,359
and indeed privately i've been told by

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01:01:26,470 --> 01:01:23,200
various people that that document is a

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01:01:27,990 --> 01:01:26,480
genuine document i can't prove that

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01:01:30,150 --> 01:01:28,000
because without tom wilson's

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01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:30,160
confirmation and corroboration as a

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01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:32,400
journalist i can't rely on it

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01:01:36,789 --> 01:01:34,960
but this is something this incredible

1439
01:01:39,990 --> 01:01:36,799
smoking gun document

1440
01:01:42,309 --> 01:01:40,000
it should at least be something that any

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01:01:44,549 --> 01:01:42,319
competent intelligence official would

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01:01:47,109 --> 01:01:44,559
know about because it has been as you

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01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:47,119
know and as i know at the forefront of

1444
01:01:52,150 --> 01:01:49,920
allegations of a cover-up inside the u.s

1445
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,160
intelligence community for the last four

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01:01:57,029 --> 01:01:54,559
or five years and for two intelligence

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01:01:59,750 --> 01:01:57,039
officials to come before the congress

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01:02:01,990 --> 01:01:59,760
and testify as they did

1449
01:02:04,549 --> 01:02:02,000
admiral wilson memo oh

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01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:04,559
no don't know anything about that oh do

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01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:06,400
you know anything about that no

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01:02:11,670 --> 01:02:08,400
no don't know anything about him

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01:02:13,510 --> 01:02:11,680
what a load of [\h__\h] yeah yeah it is

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01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:13,520
it was a load and here's the thing i've

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01:02:17,109 --> 01:02:16,000
i've got 15 seconds ross before the

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01:02:19,670 --> 01:02:17,119
break

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01:02:21,029 --> 01:02:19,680
by gallagher bringing it into the public

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01:02:24,230 --> 01:02:21,039
record

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01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:24,240
now in future hearings nobody

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01:02:27,270 --> 01:02:25,920
can say that they don't know about the

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01:02:28,470 --> 01:02:27,280
document

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01:02:30,230 --> 01:02:28,480
right

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01:02:32,789 --> 01:02:30,240
and that's where it gets interesting

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01:02:34,549 --> 01:02:32,799
because this is why bringing stuff to

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01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,559
congress matters

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01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:36,319
and i've seen this happen in australia

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01:02:40,230 --> 01:02:38,480
jimmy uh i don't know by the way i don't

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01:02:42,230 --> 01:02:40,240
know for sure that the admiral wilson

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01:02:45,349 --> 01:02:42,240
document is an authentic document i

1470
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:45,359
don't know i am told i am told by

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01:02:50,630 --> 01:02:47,440
admiral tom wilson's colleagues that he

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01:02:52,870 --> 01:02:50,640
is an honorable decent man not the sort

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01:02:54,950 --> 01:02:52,880
of person who would lie perjure himself

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01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:54,960
under oath before congress

1475
01:02:59,349 --> 01:02:57,520
and he has already told my friend billy

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01:03:01,510 --> 01:02:59,359
cox who's an extremely reputable

1477
01:03:02,470 --> 01:03:01,520
journalist who's chased this issue down

1478
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:02,480
in the past

1479
01:03:06,309 --> 01:03:04,480
he's told billy that he will tell the

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01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:06,319
congress under oath what he's already

1481
01:03:10,470 --> 01:03:08,480
told billy and what he's already told me

1482
01:03:12,789 --> 01:03:10,480
which is the document's not authentic

1483
01:03:14,870 --> 01:03:12,799
and it doesn't represent an accurate and

1484
01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:14,880
fair reflection of events

1485
01:03:20,069 --> 01:03:18,240
but that at least can now be asked

1486
01:03:22,069 --> 01:03:20,079
because representative gallagher had the

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01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:22,079
foresight the intelligence and the

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01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:23,760
perspicacity to actually put it before

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01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:26,640
the congress that's why this matters

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01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:29,280
they're now on notice that they have to

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01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:32,079
answer this question and that's why at

1492
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:33,839
some stage in the next few months

1493
01:03:38,230 --> 01:03:35,680
whatever the answer is

1494
01:03:41,029 --> 01:03:38,240
then uh as louis lozando told me last

1495
01:03:43,510 --> 01:03:41,039
week on my own podcast need to know he

1496
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:43,520
told me they've now painted themselves

1497
01:03:47,349 --> 01:03:46,000
into a corner this is why this is

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01:03:49,910 --> 01:03:47,359
significant

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01:03:52,789 --> 01:03:49,920
every single statement that these

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individuals make under oath to the

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01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:53,920
congress

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01:03:58,789 --> 01:03:55,200
is slowly

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01:04:01,109 --> 01:03:58,799
bricking themselves into a position

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01:04:03,990 --> 01:04:01,119
that's why this matters because they can

1505
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then be held to account and measured

1506
01:04:09,589 --> 01:04:06,079
against those statements as the

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01:04:13,029 --> 01:04:09,599
revelations before the congress continue

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01:04:14,470 --> 01:04:13,039
which you and i both know they will

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01:04:15,829 --> 01:04:14,480
let's take our break right here our

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guest tonight the one and only ross

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culthart live from australia

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this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church want to remind everybody

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tomorrow night i have billy carson with

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight live from

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australia ross culfart is joining us

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we're discussing uh the ufo hearings

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01:09:49,990 --> 01:09:47,359
that took place on may 17th

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01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:50,000
capitol hill in washington dc

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and uh and and also what could possibly

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be coming up in the very near future

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we'll uh jump into some of that too as

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well

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and ross what i wanted to do

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is i want to uh go back just a little

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01:10:08,630 --> 01:10:05,120
bit into the hearing

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01:10:09,750 --> 01:10:08,640
um there were a couple of things i felt

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that

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01:10:12,870 --> 01:10:11,280
you're the guest i don't want to uh

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insert my opinion here that's not what

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01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:14,800
the question is that's bad journalism

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01:10:22,149 --> 01:10:17,520
but i have to say it which is

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um i felt that the hearing uh had two

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01:10:26,550 --> 01:10:24,640
two scenes scene one the first half of

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01:10:29,430 --> 01:10:26,560
the hearing i think that bray and

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01:10:33,590 --> 01:10:29,440
moultrie were trying to keep this

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into a drone territory or a china

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01:10:37,030 --> 01:10:35,520
russia technology

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01:10:39,510 --> 01:10:37,040
conversation

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and the representatives

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01:10:44,149 --> 01:10:41,040
some of them

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01:10:46,550 --> 01:10:44,159
tried to get it back onto a ufo or

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01:10:49,030 --> 01:10:46,560
extraterrestrial conversation and that

1652
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:49,040
was the second half of the hearing

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01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:52,239
um and in the beginning of the hearing

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01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:55,760
um representative crawford said

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that the uap task force is not about

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01:11:05,510 --> 01:11:02,640
finding alien spacecraft

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01:11:08,390 --> 01:11:05,520
and later on in the hearing crawford did

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01:11:11,830 --> 01:11:08,400
an about face we'll circle back to that

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01:11:12,870 --> 01:11:11,840
but schiff uh who is you know he's the

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chair

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um

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he

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degree 90 degree turns all of this in

1664
01:11:38,830 --> 01:11:34,800
the uap task force report

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01:11:42,070 --> 01:11:38,840
and uh and then right after that

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uh heinz comes in

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and brings up

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amateur conspiracy theory groups

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01:11:52,070 --> 01:11:50,239
right and and and tried to

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bring this around that there is

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misinformation and disinformation being

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put out by and i'm quoting him amateur

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ufo groups right and i'm not sure who he

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was talking about mufon maybe

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um and that

1676
01:12:11,270 --> 01:12:07,760
this kind of misinformation and

1677
01:12:14,470 --> 01:12:11,280
disinformation needs to be deterred

1678
01:12:16,550 --> 01:12:14,480
now that sounds like censorship to me

1679
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:16,560
and i think the uh the one that blew me

1680
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:18,800
away i think his name is

1681
01:12:24,870 --> 01:12:20,800
representative lahood

1682
01:12:27,270 --> 01:12:24,880
and uh he practically invited the two

1683
01:12:29,350 --> 01:12:27,280
guests the two witnesses to

1684
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:29,360
offer an opinion on

1685
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:32,159
the best way to prosecute and and in

1686
01:12:36,550 --> 01:12:35,040
some way punish people who dare to

1687
01:12:38,149 --> 01:12:36,560
question the veracity of the

1688
01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:38,159
intelligence establishment on these

1689
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:39,199
issues

1690
01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:41,199
um i i was just gobsmacked i was

1691
01:12:46,390 --> 01:12:43,520
gobsmacked at the uh we called them

1692
01:12:48,149 --> 01:12:46,400
googly questions that were being offered

1693
01:12:49,830 --> 01:12:48,159
by the uh

1694
01:12:51,910 --> 01:12:49,840
by the representatives they weren't

1695
01:12:54,070 --> 01:12:51,920
trying and let me give you a couple of

1696
01:12:56,149 --> 01:12:54,080
examples jimmy because i really do

1697
01:12:59,430 --> 01:12:56,159
but let me ask you this though and i

1698
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:59,440
want to please i want i want to hear uh

1699
01:13:03,270 --> 01:13:01,679
uh your answer but

1700
01:13:06,390 --> 01:13:03,280
as a journalist

1701
01:13:08,630 --> 01:13:06,400
when hymes and la hood

1702
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:08,640
bring up censorship and possible

1703
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:12,159
criminal repercussions for just having

1704
01:13:16,709 --> 01:13:14,960
an opinion or asking questions it's

1705
01:13:19,270 --> 01:13:16,719
suddenly a criminal offense as a

1706
01:13:20,870 --> 01:13:19,280
journalist you've got to raise every red

1707
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:20,880
flag right

1708
01:13:26,310 --> 01:13:22,560
look it was just appalling and it

1709
01:13:28,470 --> 01:13:26,320
wreaked to me of a pre-arranged question

1710
01:13:30,070 --> 01:13:28,480
it reeked to me of

1711
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:30,080
hey you guys i'm going to ask you a

1712
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,840
really softball question that you're

1713
01:13:35,430 --> 01:13:33,600
just gonna love here's a free kick for

1714
01:13:37,430 --> 01:13:35,440
you let's have a kick at these annoying

1715
01:13:40,229 --> 01:13:37,440
ufo people who are asking all these

1716
01:13:41,590 --> 01:13:40,239
wacky conspiracy driven questions that

1717
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:41,600
are embarrassing you guys in the

1718
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:43,679
national defense establishment

1719
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:46,400
uh i i thought it was crazy i mean we

1720
01:13:52,870 --> 01:13:49,360
are let's just talk for a moment about

1721
01:13:56,070 --> 01:13:52,880
what the uap task force report

1722
01:13:58,070 --> 01:13:56,080
itself albeit a short document what it

1723
01:14:01,030 --> 01:13:58,080
admitted last year

1724
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:01,040
it admitted in a very qualified way but

1725
01:14:05,350 --> 01:14:02,880
it fundamentally admitted that there is

1726
01:14:06,470 --> 01:14:05,360
a technology of some kind that is

1727
01:14:08,790 --> 01:14:06,480
anomalous

1728
01:14:10,630 --> 01:14:08,800
that is not american it's not russian

1729
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:10,640
it's not chinese it's none of our known

1730
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:13,199
adversaries it's not black american

1731
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:16,560
technology hidden in the black somewhere

1732
01:14:21,910 --> 01:14:19,040
it's doing what they've called the five

1733
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:21,920
observables technology that is way

1734
01:14:27,669 --> 01:14:25,040
beyond known human science

1735
01:14:29,350 --> 01:14:27,679
incredible instantaneous velocity going

1736
01:14:31,830 --> 01:14:29,360
from zero to

1737
01:14:34,790 --> 01:14:31,840
ten thousand miles an hour in the blink

1738
01:14:37,669 --> 01:14:34,800
of an eye hypersonic maneuvers

1739
01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:37,679
stealth it's concealing itself it's

1740
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:39,920
going transmedium it's going from the

1741
01:14:45,350 --> 01:14:42,480
atmosphere to the ocean with very little

1742
01:14:47,830 --> 01:14:45,360
change in velocity and displacing water

1743
01:14:50,310 --> 01:14:47,840
through the ocean at speeds that some

1744
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:50,320
people have described as high as faster

1745
01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:53,520
than the speed of sound in water yeah

1746
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:55,600
right

1747
01:14:58,229 --> 01:14:57,199
incredible are you still there jimmy

1748
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:58,239
yeah yeah

1749
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:59,199
yeah

1750
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:01,520
but the um the the thing that blows me

1751
01:15:07,830 --> 01:15:05,040
away is this is an admission

1752
01:15:10,229 --> 01:15:07,840
now that there is a technology operating

1753
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:10,239
on our planet which is not known that

1754
01:15:14,870 --> 01:15:12,080
nobody can explain

1755
01:15:17,030 --> 01:15:14,880
and what the congress is now in a

1756
01:15:19,030 --> 01:15:17,040
position to be able to do

1757
01:15:21,270 --> 01:15:19,040
is to elicit answers from the

1758
01:15:23,030 --> 01:15:21,280
representatives that's that are coming

1759
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:23,040
forward from the defense department and

1760
01:15:28,229 --> 01:15:25,199
the intelligence community to answer

1761
01:15:30,550 --> 01:15:28,239
that question and frankly i i just

1762
01:15:33,950 --> 01:15:30,560
thought what i saw there was an attempt

1763
01:15:36,630 --> 01:15:33,960
at evasion and dissembling i i saw

1764
01:15:38,870 --> 01:15:36,640
obfuscation i saw

1765
01:15:39,750 --> 01:15:38,880
quite frankly i i i like to think the

1766
01:15:42,229 --> 01:15:39,760
best

1767
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:42,239
of our service men and women i i i

1768
01:15:46,470 --> 01:15:44,159
admire i've had briefings from a lot of

1769
01:15:48,310 --> 01:15:46,480
people in your intelligence community as

1770
01:15:50,470 --> 01:15:48,320
a journalist doing stories about

1771
01:15:52,950 --> 01:15:50,480
terrorism or wars in iraq and

1772
01:15:55,189 --> 01:15:52,960
afghanistan i've seen how good your

1773
01:15:57,189 --> 01:15:55,199
people are on a front line and in a hot

1774
01:15:59,270 --> 01:15:57,199
zone you know you should be very very

1775
01:16:01,830 --> 01:15:59,280
proud of your armed services you're

1776
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:01,840
extremely well served by your men and

1777
01:16:06,630 --> 01:16:03,679
women in uniform

1778
01:16:09,270 --> 01:16:06,640
but without wanting to speak unfairly

1779
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:09,280
ill of people in the intelligence

1780
01:16:14,229 --> 01:16:11,600
community i was very disappointed and

1781
01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:14,239
shocked that two people coming before

1782
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:17,040
the congress for the first time in over

1783
01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:18,880
half a century

1784
01:16:22,550 --> 01:16:20,640
have basically failed to brief

1785
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:22,560
themselves properly about the issues

1786
01:16:27,669 --> 01:16:25,040
that they were coming to talk about

1787
01:16:31,270 --> 01:16:27,679
this wasn't an opportunity for a free

1788
01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:31,280
kick at a ufo group we are well beyond

1789
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:33,440
the flippant and frankly ridiculous

1790
01:16:37,669 --> 01:16:35,440
observation that some people have made

1791
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:37,679
in the debunking world that this is all

1792
01:16:42,390 --> 01:16:40,480
nonsense and easily dismissed the neil

1793
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:42,400
degrasse tysons you know all of the

1794
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:44,960
other scientists who who choose to take

1795
01:16:50,149 --> 01:16:48,080
an extremely unscientific unobjective

1796
01:16:52,229 --> 01:16:50,159
totally subjective way of approaching

1797
01:16:54,470 --> 01:16:52,239
this issue just to dismiss it out of

1798
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:54,480
hand and say look you know

1799
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:56,080
extraordinary claims require

1800
01:16:59,510 --> 01:16:57,920
extraordinary evidence you know frankly

1801
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:59,520
we're not going there until somebody

1802
01:17:03,430 --> 01:17:01,360
provides us with the proof

1803
01:17:06,470 --> 01:17:03,440
we are now at a stage where the proof

1804
01:17:09,430 --> 01:17:06,480
has been provided the united states has

1805
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:09,440
acknowledged there is a reality here

1806
01:17:14,310 --> 01:17:11,679
there is an anomalous phenomena

1807
01:17:16,310 --> 01:17:14,320
that cannot be explained or at least

1808
01:17:17,750 --> 01:17:16,320
that's their official position i don't

1809
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:17,760
believe that frankly i think they know a

1810
01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:20,560
lot more than they're letting on uh the

1811
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:22,880
the turning point for me

1812
01:17:28,830 --> 01:17:25,199
uh i want your thoughts on

1813
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:28,840
representative welch because welch

1814
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:31,440
uh apparently had just had enough of

1815
01:17:35,189 --> 01:17:33,360
drone talk right

1816
01:17:40,390 --> 01:17:35,199
in china and russia

1817
01:17:42,390 --> 01:17:40,400
and he says and i i i quite honestly

1818
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:42,400
almost fell out of my chair

1819
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:46,239
when he said it's a big universe man

1820
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:48,800
and right when he said that i knew he

1821
01:17:53,830 --> 01:17:52,000
was about to go there and he did

1822
01:17:56,870 --> 01:17:53,840
he said uh

1823
01:18:00,390 --> 01:17:56,880
that there may be visits by e.t and

1824
01:18:01,270 --> 01:18:00,400
extraterrestrial life his words

1825
01:18:04,070 --> 01:18:01,280
and

1826
01:18:06,550 --> 01:18:04,080
the response from moultrie

1827
01:18:09,110 --> 01:18:06,560
uh which was uh you know we're working

1828
01:18:12,229 --> 01:18:09,120
with nasa uh to search for

1829
01:18:14,229 --> 01:18:12,239
extraterrestrial life he does his dance

1830
01:18:17,189 --> 01:18:14,239
and then uh

1831
01:18:19,350 --> 01:18:17,199
welch comes back with

1832
01:18:21,510 --> 01:18:19,360
okay you don't want to talk about it now

1833
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:21,520
in the public hearing well what about

1834
01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:23,520
later this afternoon in the classified

1835
01:18:27,430 --> 01:18:25,360
briefing are you going to tell us about

1836
01:18:29,030 --> 01:18:27,440
e.t in extraterrestrial life visiting

1837
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:29,040
this planet

1838
01:18:34,310 --> 01:18:31,199
and i thought that that was absolutely

1839
01:18:37,110 --> 01:18:34,320
extraordinary and definitely put bray

1840
01:18:39,430 --> 01:18:37,120
and moultrie on the spot for an answer

1841
01:18:41,750 --> 01:18:39,440
in the in the classified briefing

1842
01:18:43,590 --> 01:18:41,760
well you see i i hope that they were

1843
01:18:45,110 --> 01:18:43,600
told something about that in the

1844
01:18:47,270 --> 01:18:45,120
classified briefing i mean for what it's

1845
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:47,280
worth jimmy i think the extraterrestrial

1846
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:49,360
hypothesis that the idea that what we're

1847
01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:51,199
talking about here is a life from

1848
01:18:55,430 --> 01:18:53,440
another universe or another part of the

1849
01:18:58,070 --> 01:18:55,440
galaxy i think that's the least

1850
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:58,080
plausible explanation more and more i

1851
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:00,480
get the impression that whatever this is

1852
01:19:05,030 --> 01:19:02,640
it's been here a long time

1853
01:19:07,590 --> 01:19:05,040
it shares this planet with us it's not

1854
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:07,600
necessarily visiting

1855
01:19:12,870 --> 01:19:10,239
it's here too it lives here

1856
01:19:15,189 --> 01:19:12,880
um but whatever it is it's intelligent

1857
01:19:17,669 --> 01:19:15,199
and it's technologically advanced way

1858
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:17,679
technologically advanced to us

1859
01:19:22,229 --> 01:19:19,280
and this is the thing that i found was

1860
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:22,239
the subtext behind all of this because

1861
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:23,199
whilst

1862
01:19:28,070 --> 01:19:26,000
you've got this momentous context of

1863
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:28,080
admissions that have been made by the

1864
01:19:33,270 --> 01:19:30,960
uap task force and by other reports and

1865
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:33,280
investigations which essentially out of

1866
01:19:38,870 --> 01:19:35,679
the uaptf they admitted they could not

1867
01:19:43,430 --> 01:19:38,880
explain despite exhaustive investigation

1868
01:19:46,709 --> 01:19:43,440
all but one of 144 incidents they were

1869
01:19:48,790 --> 01:19:46,719
unable to provide an explanation

1870
01:19:50,470 --> 01:19:48,800
and they've looked at

1871
01:19:52,950 --> 01:19:50,480
anomalous weather phenomena

1872
01:19:55,270 --> 01:19:52,960
they've looked at drones they've looked

1873
01:19:56,709 --> 01:19:55,280
at whether or not it's a weather event

1874
01:19:59,669 --> 01:19:56,719
or something like that or another

1875
01:20:01,669 --> 01:19:59,679
misidentified aircraft and the uap task

1876
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:01,679
force was not able to provide an

1877
01:20:05,430 --> 01:20:03,040
explanation

1878
01:20:06,310 --> 01:20:05,440
and for me the the one moment that

1879
01:20:08,709 --> 01:20:06,320
really

1880
01:20:11,910 --> 01:20:08,719
frankly just i was just yelling at the

1881
01:20:14,229 --> 01:20:11,920
screen by this stage was when

1882
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:14,239
i think it was uh moultrie or bray

1883
01:20:18,790 --> 01:20:15,920
basically said

1884
01:20:21,350 --> 01:20:18,800
they've investigated the um

1885
01:20:23,189 --> 01:20:21,360
the video that he was showing that he

1886
01:20:25,990 --> 01:20:23,199
was referring to and i think it involved

1887
01:20:28,790 --> 01:20:26,000
a pyramid over a ship which i think is

1888
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:28,800
the uss russell incident

1889
01:20:34,470 --> 01:20:31,360
and this is a video that was released by

1890
01:20:36,310 --> 01:20:34,480
jeremy corbell quite laudably in a great

1891
01:20:38,870 --> 01:20:36,320
scoop by jeremy

1892
01:20:41,110 --> 01:20:38,880
and jeremy basically uh presented

1893
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:41,120
evidence that has since been attacked by

1894
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:43,600
many debunkers suggesting you know that

1895
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:45,280
this is bouquet that this is a

1896
01:20:49,189 --> 01:20:47,199
distortion caused by night vision

1897
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:49,199
goggles looking through an slr single

1898
01:20:53,030 --> 01:20:50,159
length

1899
01:20:54,709 --> 01:20:53,040
single lens reflex camera lens

1900
01:20:56,950 --> 01:20:54,719
and that essentially what was hovering

1901
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:56,960
over the vessel wasn't actually a

1902
01:21:01,910 --> 01:20:59,040
pyramid or a triangle it was essentially

1903
01:21:03,750 --> 01:21:01,920
a the two witnesses left us with the

1904
01:21:07,510 --> 01:21:03,760
impression it was essentially a drone or

1905
01:21:09,910 --> 01:21:07,520
some kind of uav or quadcopter

1906
01:21:13,030 --> 01:21:09,920
now this assertion is made

1907
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:13,040
when we know the uss russell was in the

1908
01:21:17,590 --> 01:21:15,360
middle of the open ocean

1909
01:21:20,390 --> 01:21:17,600
you know there were no other ships in

1910
01:21:22,149 --> 01:21:20,400
the area and indeed there have been uh

1911
01:21:24,390 --> 01:21:22,159
declassified documents that have been

1912
01:21:27,110 --> 01:21:24,400
released on foi relating to at least

1913
01:21:29,110 --> 01:21:27,120
some of these drone incidents so-called

1914
01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:29,120
on u.s navy vessels

1915
01:21:31,830 --> 01:21:30,159
where

1916
01:21:33,990 --> 01:21:31,840
they're in the open ocean

1917
01:21:35,910 --> 01:21:34,000
way out to sea and they've even gone and

1918
01:21:37,270 --> 01:21:35,920
searched the adjoining i think one was a

1919
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:37,280
cargo vessel that was coming to

1920
01:21:40,709 --> 01:21:38,880
australia

1921
01:21:43,189 --> 01:21:40,719
and they couldn't find any drones on

1922
01:21:45,030 --> 01:21:43,199
that vessel there was nothing to support

1923
01:21:47,830 --> 01:21:45,040
the contention that these were

1924
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:47,840
commercially available drones that were

1925
01:21:51,830 --> 01:21:49,840
flying above u.s navy vessels in the

1926
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:51,840
middle of the open ocean

1927
01:21:57,189 --> 01:21:55,040
but what just gobsmacked me was that the

1928
01:21:59,350 --> 01:21:57,199
the representatives sat there like

1929
01:22:00,709 --> 01:21:59,360
little lambs when they were fed this

1930
01:22:02,470 --> 01:22:00,719
line by

1931
01:22:04,390 --> 01:22:02,480
two witnesses from the defense

1932
01:22:05,910 --> 01:22:04,400
intelligence community and they didn't

1933
01:22:08,470 --> 01:22:05,920
follow up and say

1934
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:08,480
okay well if it was drones if as you say

1935
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:11,760
it was drones who's got drone technology

1936
01:22:15,270 --> 01:22:13,440
like this

1937
01:22:17,669 --> 01:22:15,280
technology coming from that's right

1938
01:22:20,550 --> 01:22:17,679
because these drones were and are

1939
01:22:22,310 --> 01:22:20,560
recorded doing extraordinary things i'm

1940
01:22:23,830 --> 01:22:22,320
waiting to hear jeremy's response i'm

1941
01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:23,840
going to give jeremy the benefit of the

1942
01:22:29,750 --> 01:22:26,800
dart because i suspect that he's not

1943
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:29,760
going to cop this bokeh explanation

1944
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:32,320
which i know a good friend and quite

1945
01:22:36,550 --> 01:22:34,080
rightly a

1946
01:22:37,590 --> 01:22:36,560
laudable skeptic nick west has jumped

1947
01:22:40,310 --> 01:22:37,600
upon

1948
01:22:42,470 --> 01:22:40,320
mix made much of this he's suggested

1949
01:22:45,110 --> 01:22:42,480
that a lot of these videos of objects

1950
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:45,120
hovering over navy dips are just drones

1951
01:22:48,229 --> 01:22:46,639
they're just uavs that have been

1952
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:48,239
distorted through the lenses that

1953
01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:50,239
they're using to film them more often

1954
01:22:55,910 --> 01:22:52,800
than not night vision goggle lenses

1955
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:55,920
and what annoyed me was

1956
01:23:01,270 --> 01:22:58,800
knowing what i know from my sources

1957
01:23:03,110 --> 01:23:01,280
this impression that was left with the

1958
01:23:05,430 --> 01:23:03,120
congress the representatives and the

1959
01:23:07,990 --> 01:23:05,440
watching public was

1960
01:23:11,030 --> 01:23:08,000
don't worry guys this is all going to

1961
01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:11,040
turn out to be drones and uavs it's only

1962
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:12,800
a matter of time before we get an

1963
01:23:18,229 --> 01:23:15,840
explanation that satisfies inquiring

1964
01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:18,239
curious minds you know and look we've

1965
01:23:22,470 --> 01:23:20,239
looked at this particular video that

1966
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,480
described a triangle or a pyramid hoving

1967
01:23:26,390 --> 01:23:24,639
over the deck and it was a bouquet

1968
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:26,400
effect it was a distortion caused by

1969
01:23:31,110 --> 01:23:28,320
night vision goggles

1970
01:23:33,990 --> 01:23:31,120
but no attempt to explain

1971
01:23:36,390 --> 01:23:34,000
the mass swarms of drones that have now

1972
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:36,400
been recorded in multiple incidents to

1973
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,600
be plaguing u.s navy vessels snoopy

1974
01:23:43,990 --> 01:23:41,360
teams which are the teams that are

1975
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:44,000
deployed when there are unidentified

1976
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:46,719
craft hovering near u.s navy vessels

1977
01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:49,440
were deployed and they still record in

1978
01:23:56,310 --> 01:23:53,520
the foi documents but these are uaps

1979
01:23:59,030 --> 01:23:56,320
uavs unidentified

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01:24:00,070 --> 01:23:59,040
vehicles of some kind near u.s navy

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01:24:01,030 --> 01:24:00,080
vessels

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01:24:03,350 --> 01:24:01,040
to me

1983
01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:03,360
what shocked me was the lack of

1984
01:24:08,070 --> 01:24:05,760
curiosity by the representatives they

1985
01:24:09,030 --> 01:24:08,080
had a glorious opportunity to follow up

1986
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:09,040
and go

1987
01:24:14,470 --> 01:24:12,239
okay sir if it was a drone as you say

1988
01:24:16,709 --> 01:24:14,480
why do you say it was a drone what kind

1989
01:24:18,709 --> 01:24:16,719
of drone was it have you satisfied

1990
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:18,719
yourself that it was a drone

1991
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:21,120
what kind of drone can hover for hours

1992
01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:23,840
over a us navy ship do the maneuvers

1993
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:25,280
that these things have been witnessed

1994
01:24:29,270 --> 01:24:26,880
doing

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01:24:33,669 --> 01:24:29,280
in the open ocean yeah yeah in the open

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01:24:35,669 --> 01:24:33,679
ocean there is um uh another uh line of

1997
01:24:36,870 --> 01:24:35,679
questioning that happened right about

1998
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:36,880
this time

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01:24:43,110 --> 01:24:39,440
which uh came in uh

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01:24:45,510 --> 01:24:43,120
uh from uh representative schiff when he

2001
01:24:47,430 --> 01:24:45,520
says uh

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01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:47,440
are you guys only interested i'm

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01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:49,120
paraphrasing are you guys only

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01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:51,600
interested in the low-hanging fruit on

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01:24:55,830 --> 01:24:53,040
the stuff that you can just readily

2006
01:24:57,990 --> 01:24:55,840
identify and that is easy to investigate

2007
01:25:01,189 --> 01:24:58,000
or are you interested in taking this a

2008
01:25:02,870 --> 01:25:01,199
step further and really scientifically

2009
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:02,880
investigating the stuff that you can't

2010
01:25:05,350 --> 01:25:03,840
explain

2011
01:25:07,030 --> 01:25:05,360
and i thought that that was a great

2012
01:25:08,550 --> 01:25:07,040
question uh

2013
01:25:11,270 --> 01:25:08,560
in this line of questioning that was

2014
01:25:13,910 --> 01:25:11,280
happening at that time

2015
01:25:16,390 --> 01:25:13,920
yeah i do too and and frankly i mean

2016
01:25:19,110 --> 01:25:16,400
yeah i mean what is needed is good data

2017
01:25:20,709 --> 01:25:19,120
but the irony is as we all know

2018
01:25:22,629 --> 01:25:20,719
one of the things i i want to address

2019
01:25:24,310 --> 01:25:22,639
that by responding to a question that

2020
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:24,320
was asked at one stage during the

2021
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:26,800
hearing about what has happened since

2022
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:29,120
project blue book so i think it was

2023
01:25:32,629 --> 01:25:31,120
again representative gallagher who i'm

2024
01:25:33,590 --> 01:25:32,639
going to give a gold star for his

2025
01:25:35,990 --> 01:25:33,600
questioning

2026
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:36,000
and and he basically asked you know

2027
01:25:40,709 --> 01:25:37,920
what have been the initiatives that the

2028
01:25:42,629 --> 01:25:40,719
dod or dod contractors have done since

2029
01:25:47,110 --> 01:25:42,639
project blue book ended which was in

2030
01:25:48,950 --> 01:25:47,120
1969 1970 and before atip's beginning

2031
01:25:50,550 --> 01:25:48,960
was there anything predating project

2032
01:25:53,110 --> 01:25:50,560
blue book and scott bray actually

2033
01:25:56,229 --> 01:25:53,120
answered he said i can't speak to what

2034
01:25:57,990 --> 01:25:56,239
may have predated project bloombook um

2035
01:26:00,070 --> 01:25:58,000
i'm familiar with blue book i'm familiar

2036
01:26:01,669 --> 01:26:00,080
with atip i haven't seen other

2037
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:01,679
documented studies that have been done

2038
01:26:06,950 --> 01:26:04,159
by dod in that regard

2039
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:06,960
now that i'm sorry i don't like to

2040
01:26:11,750 --> 01:26:09,199
reflect bill on your representatives but

2041
01:26:14,550 --> 01:26:11,760
that was a very disingenuous answer

2042
01:26:17,590 --> 01:26:14,560
because it's on the public record that

2043
01:26:21,110 --> 01:26:17,600
there have been multiple research done

2044
01:26:22,870 --> 01:26:21,120
into uaps by the u.s defense department

2045
01:26:26,870 --> 01:26:22,880
different three-letter agencies for the

2046
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:26,880
past 50-60 years since project blue book

2047
01:26:31,110 --> 01:26:29,040
so for him to assert that he's not aware

2048
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:31,120
of anything in between project blue book

2049
01:26:35,350 --> 01:26:34,159
and atip the pentagon's secret ufo

2050
01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:35,360
program that

2051
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:39,040
allegedly happened between 2008 and 2012

2052
01:26:42,629 --> 01:26:40,800
scott bray basically said i'm not aware

2053
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:42,639
of anything that's official that was

2054
01:26:47,510 --> 01:26:45,120
done in between those two it hasn't been

2055
01:26:49,990 --> 01:26:47,520
brought to my attention

2056
01:26:51,910 --> 01:26:50,000
now frankly that reeks to me of an

2057
01:26:55,110 --> 01:26:51,920
official that didn't do his job he

2058
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:55,120
didn't read his brief if you know as he

2059
01:26:58,149 --> 01:26:56,719
did that you're about to give evidence

2060
01:27:00,310 --> 01:26:58,159
to the congress

2061
01:27:03,030 --> 01:27:00,320
you bloody well do your homework you

2062
01:27:05,590 --> 01:27:03,040
don't come in ill-prepared and frankly

2063
01:27:08,629 --> 01:27:05,600
in my country if an official came in and

2064
01:27:11,030 --> 01:27:08,639
said that he wasn't aware of ufo studies

2065
01:27:12,629 --> 01:27:11,040
that had been done in the past 50 years

2066
01:27:15,110 --> 01:27:12,639
and he knew he was coming to the

2067
01:27:18,229 --> 01:27:15,120
congress to answer for the past 50 years

2068
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:18,239
of what's been happening with ufos uaps

2069
01:27:23,830 --> 01:27:20,480
he'd probably get the sack

2070
01:27:25,750 --> 01:27:23,840
so that to me is how serious this is the

2071
01:27:27,270 --> 01:27:25,760
congress needs to put these people on

2072
01:27:29,350 --> 01:27:27,280
notice that if they come before the

2073
01:27:30,550 --> 01:27:29,360
congress again and try and evade and

2074
01:27:32,550 --> 01:27:30,560
dissemble

2075
01:27:33,590 --> 01:27:32,560
and obfuscate in how they answer

2076
01:27:35,189 --> 01:27:33,600
questions

2077
01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:35,199
they're going to lose their jobs or

2078
01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:36,639
they're going to be found in contempt of

2079
01:27:40,149 --> 01:27:37,840
congress

2080
01:27:42,550 --> 01:27:40,159
because this isn't a friendly engagement

2081
01:27:43,830 --> 01:27:42,560
here this shouldn't be a friendly

2082
01:27:45,669 --> 01:27:43,840
engagement

2083
01:27:48,470 --> 01:27:45,679
because even with the admissions that

2084
01:27:49,750 --> 01:27:48,480
have been made by the uap task force

2085
01:27:51,189 --> 01:27:49,760
last year

2086
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:51,199
it's now clear

2087
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:53,920
congress has been lied to

2088
01:27:58,550 --> 01:27:56,080
it's been deceived

2089
01:28:02,870 --> 01:27:58,560
don't forget jimmy that president barack

2090
01:28:05,669 --> 01:28:02,880
obama put out a press release in 2011

2091
01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:05,679
that after making inquiries with the

2092
01:28:09,830 --> 01:28:07,600
various government agencies including

2093
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:09,840
presumably the defense department they

2094
01:28:14,310 --> 01:28:12,480
responded to a public petition demanding

2095
01:28:17,110 --> 01:28:14,320
to know if there was any kind of

2096
01:28:19,030 --> 01:28:17,120
cover-up about uaps whether the us

2097
01:28:20,790 --> 01:28:19,040
government was in contact with any kind

2098
01:28:22,950 --> 01:28:20,800
of non-human intelligence or whether

2099
01:28:25,830 --> 01:28:22,960
they'd been in touch with

2100
01:28:26,629 --> 01:28:25,840
aliens or some kind of intelligence

2101
01:28:31,350 --> 01:28:26,639
now

2102
01:28:33,590 --> 01:28:31,360
government has been aware for

2103
01:28:36,629 --> 01:28:33,600
ever since at least project blue book

2104
01:28:38,629 --> 01:28:36,639
but right up to the present day

2105
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:38,639
not only have they been engaging with

2106
01:28:43,430 --> 01:28:41,040
this phenomenon studying it they've been

2107
01:28:44,550 --> 01:28:43,440
trying to bring these objects down

2108
01:28:46,950 --> 01:28:44,560
they've been

2109
01:28:48,229 --> 01:28:46,960
i believe i'm pretty sure trying to

2110
01:28:49,830 --> 01:28:48,239
shoot them down

2111
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:49,840
i noticed they denied that in that

2112
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:51,840
hearing before the congress

2113
01:28:56,070 --> 01:28:53,679
but the other one the other thing that i

2114
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:56,080
was really shocked by and i was amazed

2115
01:29:00,550 --> 01:28:57,920
they took this position

2116
01:29:03,430 --> 01:29:00,560
was when the question was asked about

2117
01:29:05,990 --> 01:29:03,440
retrieved technology

2118
01:29:07,350 --> 01:29:06,000
and again it comes it came from mike

2119
01:29:09,030 --> 01:29:07,360
gallagher

2120
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:09,040
and it was a very clumsily asked

2121
01:29:14,550 --> 01:29:11,199
question but he said okay are you aware

2122
01:29:17,830 --> 01:29:14,560
of any other dod or dod contract

2123
01:29:20,550 --> 01:29:17,840
programs focused on uap from a

2124
01:29:23,350 --> 01:29:20,560
technological engineering perspective

2125
01:29:25,510 --> 01:29:23,360
by that i mean are you aware of any

2126
01:29:27,830 --> 01:29:25,520
technology initiatives focused on this

2127
01:29:31,030 --> 01:29:27,840
topic other than initiatives focused on

2128
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:31,040
the individual case investigation events

2129
01:29:35,750 --> 01:29:32,960
scott bray answered

2130
01:29:38,149 --> 01:29:35,760
i'm not aware of any contractual

2131
01:29:39,669 --> 01:29:38,159
programs that are focused on anything

2132
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:39,679
related to this other than what we're

2133
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:42,159
doing in the navy task force

2134
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:44,000
and and how about moultrie's answer to

2135
01:29:48,149 --> 01:29:45,760
that

2136
01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:50,629
he said well you know

2137
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:53,360
we would only know about contracts uh

2138
01:29:58,149 --> 01:29:55,360
because there could be arrangements with

2139
01:30:00,070 --> 01:29:58,159
people without contracts that have an

2140
01:30:01,990 --> 01:30:00,080
interest in this subject

2141
01:30:04,870 --> 01:30:02,000
and let's go back to the wilson document

2142
01:30:07,669 --> 01:30:04,880
for a moment jimmy because the explicit

2143
01:30:08,709 --> 01:30:07,679
allegation in the wilson document

2144
01:30:11,350 --> 01:30:08,719
is that

2145
01:30:13,669 --> 01:30:11,360
very early on at a time when the u.s

2146
01:30:15,430 --> 01:30:13,679
government became aware that the

2147
01:30:17,270 --> 01:30:15,440
department of energy where this

2148
01:30:19,669 --> 01:30:17,280
allegedly was hidden

2149
01:30:22,310 --> 01:30:19,679
was going to become the subject of foi

2150
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:22,320
freedom of information laws a decision

2151
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:26,400
was made to hand over this technology to

2152
01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:28,320
private aerospace

2153
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:31,600
and it may very well be that there is no

2154
01:30:36,550 --> 01:30:34,320
official contractual or programmatic

2155
01:30:38,550 --> 01:30:36,560
effort that is underway

2156
01:30:40,390 --> 01:30:38,560
but how hard would it have been for a

2157
01:30:42,310 --> 01:30:40,400
representative of the us

2158
01:30:45,990 --> 01:30:42,320
congress to ask a representative of the

2159
01:30:49,270 --> 01:30:46,000
u.s military listen let's cut the bs

2160
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:49,280
are you aware of any technology that is

2161
01:30:54,870 --> 01:30:52,080
not human technology held either by the

2162
01:30:58,229 --> 01:30:54,880
us government or by any us government

2163
01:31:01,270 --> 01:30:58,239
agency or by any aerospace defense

2164
01:31:02,709 --> 01:31:01,280
contractor or any private institution

2165
01:31:04,229 --> 01:31:02,719
period

2166
01:31:06,310 --> 01:31:04,239
here you can answer that question you

2167
01:31:08,149 --> 01:31:06,320
know who should uh

2168
01:31:13,669 --> 01:31:08,159
bill richardson

2169
01:31:16,870 --> 01:31:13,679
witness to bring forward because not

2170
01:31:17,990 --> 01:31:16,880
only uh is he representative out of new

2171
01:31:20,629 --> 01:31:18,000
mexico

2172
01:31:23,030 --> 01:31:20,639
right and and roswell and asked for

2173
01:31:24,229 --> 01:31:23,040
information on this but he went on to

2174
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:24,239
head

2175
01:31:29,750 --> 01:31:26,560
the department of energy

2176
01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:29,760
and wouldn't he be the right guy to put

2177
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:31,120
forward and i think

2178
01:31:35,270 --> 01:31:33,040
you know what i like bill

2179
01:31:36,070 --> 01:31:35,280
i think i think at this point in his

2180
01:31:39,590 --> 01:31:36,080
life

2181
01:31:42,070 --> 01:31:39,600
he may uh he may uh he may open up about

2182
01:31:44,070 --> 01:31:42,080
this i think he has something to say

2183
01:31:45,669 --> 01:31:44,080
i hope so and i certainly hope people

2184
01:31:46,870 --> 01:31:45,679
like that are called

2185
01:31:48,550 --> 01:31:46,880
and it's funny because i noticed

2186
01:31:50,790 --> 01:31:48,560
gallagher came back with the question a

2187
01:31:52,629 --> 01:31:50,800
second time and he said just to confirm

2188
01:31:55,350 --> 01:31:52,639
you're not aware of any technology or

2189
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:55,360
any energy energy engineering resources

2190
01:31:59,910 --> 01:31:57,120
that have been focused on these efforts

2191
01:32:02,550 --> 01:31:59,920
beside what we've mentioned today

2192
01:32:06,229 --> 01:32:02,560
and then again mr bray said

2193
01:32:08,149 --> 01:32:06,239
once again i'll say no contractual or

2194
01:32:10,390 --> 01:32:08,159
programmatic efforts

2195
01:32:12,629 --> 01:32:10,400
what the hell does that mean

2196
01:32:14,310 --> 01:32:12,639
why didn't mike gallagher or any of the

2197
01:32:16,390 --> 01:32:14,320
congressional committee come back and

2198
01:32:18,550 --> 01:32:16,400
say hey listen let's just cut the bs for

2199
01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:18,560
a moment right what the public wants to

2200
01:32:26,310 --> 01:32:22,880
know are you hiding non-human technology

2201
01:32:28,709 --> 01:32:26,320
anywhere either in the government or out

2202
01:32:31,350 --> 01:32:28,719
can you categorically deny that you know

2203
01:32:33,590 --> 01:32:31,360
about recovered technology

2204
01:32:36,470 --> 01:32:33,600
why was that question so hard

2205
01:32:37,990 --> 01:32:36,480
it's the easiest question it's

2206
01:32:40,629 --> 01:32:38,000
absolutely let's take a break right here

2207
01:32:43,110 --> 01:32:40,639
ross so much to cover tonight and i

2208
01:32:45,350 --> 01:32:43,120
promise everybody i will try to get it

2209
01:32:46,709 --> 01:32:45,360
all in ross and i knew coming into the

2210
01:32:48,790 --> 01:32:46,719
show tonight we're going to run out of

2211
01:32:50,629 --> 01:32:48,800
time but we're going to make it happen

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01:32:53,189 --> 01:32:50,639
this is fade to black i am your host

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jimmy church tonight live from australia

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ross cofar we are discussing the ufo

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01:33:00,310 --> 01:32:58,320
hearing may 17th on capitol hill stay

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01:33:04,020 --> 01:33:00,320
with us we'll be right back after this

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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you're listening to jimmy church and

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jimmy church this is revolution the

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[Applause]

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight live from

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australia ross cohart is with us

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this is the deal ross quickly has become

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uh one of the faces that represent this

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community ross and i want to thank you

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for that but i also want to tell the

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audience uh how cool ross is he doesn't

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talk about this a lot but

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ross was also the lead singer for a

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heavy metal band back in the 80s

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and and i've got pictures uh ross so uh

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i will hold you to the fire on that one

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but uh

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i just want to thank you uh uh the the

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community

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uh has uh generated enormous respect uh

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for you and your position on this and

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it's not easy in in the in the world of

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journalism uh to

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to dig your heels in on a subject as

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sensitive as

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as

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the ufo enigma and what what actually

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may be going on so thank you for that

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um and now uh

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i i want to

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go a little post post hearing

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and i want to get to the comments uh

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from representative burchette

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and

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considering that he's an elected

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official

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but he wasn't a part of the committee he

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was an audience member he was an

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attendee

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and post hearing he gets in front of the

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camera

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and

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you i'm not pointing at you

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he apologized that's how angry he was

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but he said

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um and i have to paraphrase a little bit

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but

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i think the direct quote was something

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similar to

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this is a cover-up by our u.s government

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this is deception and the american

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people need to know the truth this

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hearing was a sham and this cover-up has

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to end

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now that was a pretty direct statement

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from an elected official and were you

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surprised by burchette's comments

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uh no i wasn't surprised i've had

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similar conversations with other

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congressmen congresswomen

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and senators

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i i think there is a view on the

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congress that they've been lied to

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uh that they've been misled

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look and look frankly

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this is the thing that annoys me jimmy

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is

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as you rightly observe it's quite

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difficult being a member of the

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mainstream media i'm an investigative

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journalist who's worked for over 35

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years covering stories i've done a lot

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of very serious investigations into

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terrorism national security issues

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political corruption

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i know how bureaucracies operate i i

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know how government bureaucrats react

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when they're confronted with misfeasance

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or impropriety or worse corruption in

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their administration

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and

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the simple fact is it's on the public

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record now

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there's been so many files declassified

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so much information released i was

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writing my book i was gobsmacked at what

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under the clinton administration the cia

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was forced to reveal from its own

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archives

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of what it knew about the phenomenon and

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the work that it had done not only into

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the phenomenon but also what's politely

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and dismissively often referred to as

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the paranormal

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it's quite clear that there is um a body

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of thought inside the defense national

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security establishment of the united

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states and i've informed myself by

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talking to people directly about this

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that takes this phenomenon very

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very seriously and yet for much of the

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last

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let's say since the end of the robertson

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panel in the early 50s

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there's been a deliberate and this is

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articulated it's actually expressly

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stated in documents that are

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declassified from your government's

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01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:22,800
files it shows that a deliberate

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01:43:27,030 --> 01:43:24,400
decision was taken

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by officials in your government mainly

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01:43:30,870 --> 01:43:29,760
in the cia and the u.s air force to

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01:43:32,870 --> 01:43:30,880
ridicule

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01:43:35,669 --> 01:43:32,880
stigmatize the subject

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01:43:38,550 --> 01:43:35,679
to let's call it for what it is

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01:43:42,629 --> 01:43:38,560
mislead the american public

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01:43:46,709 --> 01:43:42,639
the public was told that ufos uaps are a

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subject to be ridiculed attacked mocked

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01:43:51,430 --> 01:43:49,920
most of all never taken seriously

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01:43:54,310 --> 01:43:51,440
when all along

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01:43:56,470 --> 01:43:54,320
this fiction that has been maintained

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that the us government doesn't regard

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uaps as an issue of national security or

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01:44:03,669 --> 01:44:01,440
a threat to flight safety

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01:44:07,189 --> 01:44:03,679
it was blown out of the water by the

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admissions made by the uap task force by

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the quite courageous statements made by

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people like christopher mellon the

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former deputy assistant secretary of

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defense louis lozando the former head of

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the pentagon ufo program

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and many other witnesses who've come

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01:44:26,229 --> 01:44:22,960
forward who've basically stated this is

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real this is a national security concern

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01:44:31,270 --> 01:44:30,080
it is frankly it is a potential threat

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01:44:34,149 --> 01:44:31,280
so why

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why have we been misled the way we have

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been if there's nothing to hide why have

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they gone to such incredible lengths to

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conceal

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01:44:45,350 --> 01:44:43,520
what they know and why are they still

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01:44:47,270 --> 01:44:45,360
doing it like why did these two

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01:44:49,669 --> 01:44:47,280
officials get before the congress last

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week and i think leaves the audience

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01:44:55,430 --> 01:44:53,119
with the very firm opinion that look

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it's only a matter of time these are

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probably drones it can probably be pro

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01:45:03,109 --> 01:45:00,800
directly explained leave it with us you

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01:45:05,510 --> 01:45:03,119
know we're competent military officials

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01:45:07,750 --> 01:45:05,520
we've got a task force underway don't

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01:45:09,910 --> 01:45:07,760
worry everything's all right nothing to

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01:45:12,390 --> 01:45:09,920
worry about don't worry your tiny little

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01:45:13,830 --> 01:45:12,400
heads go away we'll deal with this in

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01:45:15,830 --> 01:45:13,840
private hearings because there are

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01:45:17,830 --> 01:45:15,840
sources means and methods that we can't

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reveal

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01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:20,480
frankly we're way past that now you know

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you've got

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pilots like dave fraver alex dietrich

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01:45:30,390 --> 01:45:27,360
who bravely came forward and risked

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01:45:33,109 --> 01:45:30,400
their reputations by speaking publicly

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01:45:35,990 --> 01:45:33,119
definitively about what they saw

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01:45:39,109 --> 01:45:36,000
they state they saw an object

2494
01:45:41,750 --> 01:45:39,119
with no visible propulsion system doing

2495
01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:41,760
hypersonic maneuvers instantaneous

2496
01:45:45,030 --> 01:45:43,199
velocity

2497
01:45:46,709 --> 01:45:45,040
deploying stealth

2498
01:45:48,790 --> 01:45:46,719
showing clearly some kind of

2499
01:45:50,790 --> 01:45:48,800
psychotronic ability to actually know

2500
01:45:52,709 --> 01:45:50,800
where their cap point was so that they

2501
01:45:55,189 --> 01:45:52,719
could maneuver to that cap point before

2502
01:45:57,430 --> 01:45:55,199
they even flew there

2503
01:45:59,830 --> 01:45:57,440
something intelligent was just

2504
01:46:02,870 --> 01:45:59,840
demonstrating a capacity

2505
01:46:05,669 --> 01:46:02,880
far beyond known human technology

2506
01:46:07,750 --> 01:46:05,679
and i'm not a pentagon security planner

2507
01:46:09,430 --> 01:46:07,760
i thank god i'm not responsible for

2508
01:46:11,109 --> 01:46:09,440
trying to defend your country against

2509
01:46:12,470 --> 01:46:11,119
the threats that you face or that my

2510
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:12,480
country faces

2511
01:46:16,790 --> 01:46:14,560
and i hand my i hold my head out i

2512
01:46:19,109 --> 01:46:16,800
really admire the service men and women

2513
01:46:21,109 --> 01:46:19,119
who do this particularly the officials

2514
01:46:23,350 --> 01:46:21,119
at the top end of your pentagon and my

2515
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:23,360
intelligence services it's a hell of a

2516
01:46:28,229 --> 01:46:24,800
job

2517
01:46:30,790 --> 01:46:28,239
but for the fiction to be maintained

2518
01:46:32,709 --> 01:46:30,800
still before the congress that this is

2519
01:46:35,189 --> 01:46:32,719
something that could perhaps be

2520
01:46:36,950 --> 01:46:35,199
prosaically explained don't worry your

2521
01:46:39,590 --> 01:46:36,960
tiny little heads about it

2522
01:46:41,030 --> 01:46:39,600
we're way past that now and i can tell

2523
01:46:44,629 --> 01:46:41,040
you there is a

2524
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:44,639
rapacious hunger a demand from

2525
01:46:49,109 --> 01:46:47,040
congressmen congresswoman senators to

2526
01:46:52,229 --> 01:46:49,119
get to the bottom of this because

2527
01:46:54,629 --> 01:46:52,239
frankly they know they've been lied to

2528
01:46:56,229 --> 01:46:54,639
and and i don't often call it as a

2529
01:46:58,390 --> 01:46:56,239
journalist that something's been a

2530
01:47:00,709 --> 01:46:58,400
conspiracy because we're taught as

2531
01:47:03,750 --> 01:47:00,719
investigators not to believe in

2532
01:47:06,070 --> 01:47:03,760
conspiracies normally it's a screw-up

2533
01:47:09,669 --> 01:47:06,080
but i think that a decision was made

2534
01:47:11,750 --> 01:47:09,679
during the cold war that for a national

2535
01:47:13,910 --> 01:47:11,760
security reason they decided not to

2536
01:47:15,430 --> 01:47:13,920
reveal the full extent of what the us

2537
01:47:18,310 --> 01:47:15,440
government knows

2538
01:47:20,629 --> 01:47:18,320
and i know because i'm talking to them

2539
01:47:22,870 --> 01:47:20,639
there is a faction inside the u.s

2540
01:47:24,390 --> 01:47:22,880
defense and intelligence community

2541
01:47:26,470 --> 01:47:24,400
that wants you

2542
01:47:27,350 --> 01:47:26,480
all of us to know the truth well that's

2543
01:47:32,709 --> 01:47:27,360
that

2544
01:47:34,310 --> 01:47:32,719
you know and it's in our constitution

2545
01:47:37,669 --> 01:47:34,320
the press the freedom of the press is

2546
01:47:39,750 --> 01:47:37,679
there to put everything else in check

2547
01:47:41,030 --> 01:47:39,760
that's it and to ask those questions

2548
01:47:42,790 --> 01:47:41,040
when i was going to school for

2549
01:47:45,990 --> 01:47:42,800
broadcasting ross you're going to laugh

2550
01:47:48,070 --> 01:47:46,000
at this because you've experienced this

2551
01:47:52,470 --> 01:47:48,080
but i'm in school and one of our

2552
01:47:56,229 --> 01:47:52,480
teachers was from cnn okay i'm not gonna

2553
01:47:59,350 --> 01:47:56,239
say who but i i said so uh

2554
01:48:02,149 --> 01:47:59,360
what if you had a a story about a ufo no

2555
01:48:03,430 --> 01:48:02,159
no no no no no and i said no but you

2556
01:48:05,669 --> 01:48:03,440
know you've got photographs you've got a

2557
01:48:07,109 --> 01:48:05,679
video and there's this thing and and and

2558
01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:07,119
what do you do do you take it to the

2559
01:48:11,510 --> 01:48:09,600
news director i would never

2560
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:11,520
i said what do you mean no that's the

2561
01:48:17,590 --> 01:48:15,119
kiss of death in broadcasting

2562
01:48:19,590 --> 01:48:17,600
and that that that's what i was that

2563
01:48:23,189 --> 01:48:19,600
that's what i'm being instructed

2564
01:48:24,390 --> 01:48:23,199
in school and and that is the broad

2565
01:48:27,189 --> 01:48:24,400
outlook

2566
01:48:29,430 --> 01:48:27,199
and and the stigma behind this not only

2567
01:48:31,189 --> 01:48:29,440
in public but certainly in the world of

2568
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:31,199
broadcasting where you just can't touch

2569
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:34,080
this it's a very difficult it's a it's a

2570
01:48:40,950 --> 01:48:35,920
it's a career

2571
01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:40,960
in your government and i suspect also in

2572
01:48:46,629 --> 01:48:43,840
my government made a decision 50 60 70

2573
01:48:47,669 --> 01:48:46,639
years ago to shut it down and for no

2574
01:48:49,669 --> 01:48:47,679
good reason

2575
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:49,679
because the thing i find fascinating and

2576
01:48:55,030 --> 01:48:52,320
when bryce abel and i do our podcast

2577
01:48:59,109 --> 01:48:55,040
need to know what we try to do is tell

2578
01:49:01,030 --> 01:48:59,119
people why history matters what why it's

2579
01:49:02,149 --> 01:49:01,040
important for people to understand the

2580
01:49:05,189 --> 01:49:02,159
history

2581
01:49:08,070 --> 01:49:05,199
so what many americans don't know is

2582
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:08,080
we've been here before jimmy we've had

2583
01:49:13,189 --> 01:49:10,320
congressional hearings before

2584
01:49:15,990 --> 01:49:13,199
and the public was dissembled and lied

2585
01:49:18,390 --> 01:49:16,000
to and officials obfuscated and avoided

2586
01:49:20,629 --> 01:49:18,400
questions as they're doing now and they

2587
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:20,639
got away with it for another 60 years

2588
01:49:24,149 --> 01:49:22,560
and they'll do that again if they can if

2589
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:24,159
they can get away with it

2590
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:26,239
and i suspect it's because

2591
01:49:31,830 --> 01:49:28,960
some people in the defense establishment

2592
01:49:33,750 --> 01:49:31,840
know that there's going to have to be a

2593
01:49:35,430 --> 01:49:33,760
reckoning and they don't want to be

2594
01:49:36,470 --> 01:49:35,440
around when that happens

2595
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:36,480
and

2596
01:49:40,229 --> 01:49:38,320
you know i think it was done possibly

2597
01:49:42,950 --> 01:49:40,239
for the best reasons

2598
01:49:45,510 --> 01:49:42,960
but throughout the 40s and the early 50s

2599
01:49:47,390 --> 01:49:45,520
until roughly the time of the washington

2600
01:49:50,310 --> 01:49:47,400
flyover

2601
01:49:53,669 --> 01:49:50,320
incontrovertibly a historical incident

2602
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:53,679
that was recorded on radar

2603
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:56,639
seen by many thousands of people

2604
01:50:02,709 --> 01:50:00,239
anomalous phenomena solid objects moved

2605
01:50:04,870 --> 01:50:02,719
across the sky over washington they

2606
01:50:07,350 --> 01:50:04,880
didn't land on the white house lawn

2607
01:50:09,350 --> 01:50:07,360
but they put on over two weeks one hell

2608
01:50:11,669 --> 01:50:09,360
of a display for the united states

2609
01:50:13,510 --> 01:50:11,679
government and its military

2610
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:13,520
and i don't think it's any coincidence

2611
01:50:18,629 --> 01:50:17,040
that from that moment on

2612
01:50:20,870 --> 01:50:18,639
things began to change

2613
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,880
a decision was made inside the u.s

2614
01:50:24,870 --> 01:50:22,880
national security establishment to

2615
01:50:28,149 --> 01:50:24,880
essentially shut down this issue from

2616
01:50:29,750 --> 01:50:28,159
public comment and they chose a very

2617
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:29,760
powerful weapon

2618
01:50:33,669 --> 01:50:31,840
they know that you americans don't like

2619
01:50:35,669 --> 01:50:33,679
being told that you're not allowed to

2620
01:50:38,470 --> 01:50:35,679
know something they know that you're

2621
01:50:40,950 --> 01:50:38,480
very good at digging out secrets

2622
01:50:42,310 --> 01:50:40,960
so they used the most powerful weapon of

2623
01:50:43,589 --> 01:50:42,320
all

2624
01:50:45,270 --> 01:50:43,599
ridicule

2625
01:50:47,109 --> 01:50:45,280
mockery

2626
01:50:50,070 --> 01:50:47,119
and they laughed at it they treated the

2627
01:50:51,510 --> 01:50:50,080
phenomenon with derision derision

2628
01:50:54,229 --> 01:50:51,520
and it worked

2629
01:50:56,390 --> 01:50:54,239
and for much of the last 60 years that's

2630
01:50:58,950 --> 01:50:56,400
how media have treated the subject

2631
01:51:00,629 --> 01:50:58,960
matter i mean i appeared on the network

2632
01:51:02,470 --> 01:51:00,639
that i actually work for the other day

2633
01:51:04,070 --> 01:51:02,480
on a sunday morning and we had a long

2634
01:51:05,589 --> 01:51:04,080
interview with some good friends of mine

2635
01:51:08,550 --> 01:51:05,599
who do the show

2636
01:51:11,030 --> 01:51:08,560
but the producer behind the scenes

2637
01:51:13,430 --> 01:51:11,040
played x-files music

2638
01:51:15,109 --> 01:51:13,440
and showed you know your classic silly

2639
01:51:16,149 --> 01:51:15,119
looking flying sources on the screen

2640
01:51:18,950 --> 01:51:16,159
behind

2641
01:51:21,750 --> 01:51:18,960
and what that was is a kind of a code

2642
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:21,760
that's been used for years in the media

2643
01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:23,760
unconsciously where

2644
01:51:28,149 --> 01:51:26,000
editors executive producers and i've

2645
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:28,159
done this i freely admit i've done this

2646
01:51:31,589 --> 01:51:30,080
before i engaged with the subject and

2647
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:31,599
started researching it

2648
01:51:35,189 --> 01:51:33,520
you'd just treat it as a joke and you'd

2649
01:51:36,790 --> 01:51:35,199
laugh and you'd have this kind of ironic

2650
01:51:39,030 --> 01:51:36,800
smile on your face when you started

2651
01:51:40,790 --> 01:51:39,040
talking about ufos

2652
01:51:44,790 --> 01:51:40,800
and yet jimmy for me

2653
01:51:47,189 --> 01:51:44,800
the turning point in my country was when

2654
01:51:48,390 --> 01:51:47,199
i was doing a story on

2655
01:51:50,229 --> 01:51:48,400
our air force

2656
01:51:53,350 --> 01:51:50,239
and i wish i could say who they were but

2657
01:51:55,109 --> 01:51:53,360
they were two very very senior officers

2658
01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:55,119
of the australian air force

2659
01:51:59,189 --> 01:51:57,440
and we'd been filming with them for a

2660
01:52:00,070 --> 01:51:59,199
day and we were sitting in an officer's

2661
01:52:01,589 --> 01:52:00,080
mess

2662
01:52:02,790 --> 01:52:01,599
and they'd asked me to stay and have a

2663
01:52:04,629 --> 01:52:02,800
beer

2664
01:52:05,910 --> 01:52:04,639
and i did and we're sitting there and

2665
01:52:08,310 --> 01:52:05,920
finally

2666
01:52:09,350 --> 01:52:08,320
one of them asked me

2667
01:52:11,030 --> 01:52:09,360
listen

2668
01:52:12,870 --> 01:52:11,040
why don't you chaps do stories about

2669
01:52:14,709 --> 01:52:12,880
ufos

2670
01:52:16,870 --> 01:52:14,719
and i remember i sat back in my chair

2671
01:52:18,390 --> 01:52:16,880
and i crossed my arms defensively and i

2672
01:52:21,990 --> 01:52:18,400
said well because

2673
01:52:23,669 --> 01:52:22,000
they're [\h__\h] your face are [\h__\h]

2674
01:52:26,070 --> 01:52:23,679
and there was this kind of

2675
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:26,080
embarrassed silence and he went

2676
01:52:34,229 --> 01:52:32,310
and then in the course of an evening um

2677
01:52:36,629 --> 01:52:34,239
a few more beers were had and

2678
01:52:38,550 --> 01:52:36,639
and a large number of pilots were sort

2679
01:52:40,870 --> 01:52:38,560
of brought to the table and quietly sat

2680
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:40,880
down in front of me and they started

2681
01:52:45,350 --> 01:52:42,960
talking about incidents that they were

2682
01:52:47,510 --> 01:52:45,360
aware of things that they'd seen and

2683
01:52:51,430 --> 01:52:47,520
probably 90 percent of the people that i

2684
01:52:53,430 --> 01:52:51,440
spoke to had seen anomalous phenomena

2685
01:52:55,750 --> 01:52:53,440
and then i got to know i've done a lot

2686
01:52:57,270 --> 01:52:55,760
of stories on aviation in my career as

2687
01:52:58,950 --> 01:52:57,280
an investigative journalist i love

2688
01:53:01,109 --> 01:52:58,960
following the

2689
01:53:02,149 --> 01:53:01,119
system of investigation of aircraft

2690
01:53:06,950 --> 01:53:02,159
accidents

2691
01:53:08,870 --> 01:53:06,960
and so i've spoken to an enormous a lot

2692
01:53:10,470 --> 01:53:08,880
of pilots from different airlines all

2693
01:53:13,350 --> 01:53:10,480
around the world but particularly from

2694
01:53:15,430 --> 01:53:13,360
our airline our national airline qantas

2695
01:53:17,430 --> 01:53:15,440
and socially you're sitting there having

2696
01:53:19,350 --> 01:53:17,440
a beer with a qantas pilot

2697
01:53:23,189 --> 01:53:19,360
and you raise ufos

2698
01:53:28,790 --> 01:53:26,709
yeah i've seen one

2699
01:53:30,390 --> 01:53:28,800
they all check first to make sure

2700
01:53:31,589 --> 01:53:30,400
they're having a quiet conversation and

2701
01:53:32,629 --> 01:53:31,599
they say i'll never i'll never talk

2702
01:53:33,910 --> 01:53:32,639
about it you know i know you're a

2703
01:53:35,189 --> 01:53:33,920
journal and i know you want to get me on

2704
01:53:37,109 --> 01:53:35,199
camera but no i'm never going to talk

2705
01:53:39,430 --> 01:53:37,119
about it because it's a career ender you

2706
01:53:41,189 --> 01:53:39,440
know i can't talk about it and it's not

2707
01:53:43,109 --> 01:53:41,199
that there's some little man sitting in

2708
01:53:45,030 --> 01:53:43,119
an office somewhere going no there's joe

2709
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:45,040
bloggs he's talking to coulthard against

2710
01:53:48,629 --> 01:53:46,639
ufos again we're going to get him dumped

2711
01:53:51,109 --> 01:53:48,639
from qantas there's no way he can keep

2712
01:53:53,109 --> 01:53:51,119
on flying if he talks about ufos

2713
01:53:55,510 --> 01:53:53,119
it's better than that it's a

2714
01:53:58,470 --> 01:53:55,520
self-imposed censorship

2715
01:54:00,870 --> 01:53:58,480
the person themself is acculturated to

2716
01:54:03,189 --> 01:54:00,880
the idea and it's been done through our

2717
01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:03,199
popular culture through hollywood movies

2718
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:04,320
through

2719
01:54:09,109 --> 01:54:07,199
fictional retellings we've been told

2720
01:54:11,030 --> 01:54:09,119
let's treat this as a hoot it's all

2721
01:54:12,709 --> 01:54:11,040
rubbish it's all the wack job stuff you

2722
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:12,719
know you're a tinfoil head crazy if you

2723
01:54:16,870 --> 01:54:14,239
believe this stuff

2724
01:54:18,950 --> 01:54:16,880
and it's incredibly powerful because i

2725
01:54:21,350 --> 01:54:18,960
felt even those witnesses

2726
01:54:23,270 --> 01:54:21,360
the slightly flippant manner

2727
01:54:24,870 --> 01:54:23,280
the hubris that they demonstrated when

2728
01:54:27,030 --> 01:54:24,880
they sat before the congress the other

2729
01:54:29,270 --> 01:54:27,040
week i didn't think they were taking

2730
01:54:31,589 --> 01:54:29,280
this seriously and i think they were

2731
01:54:32,390 --> 01:54:31,599
they were wrong-footed by the questions

2732
01:54:34,149 --> 01:54:32,400
from

2733
01:54:35,830 --> 01:54:34,159
at least two of the representatives

2734
01:54:37,589 --> 01:54:35,840
gallagher among them who had the

2735
01:54:39,350 --> 01:54:37,599
foresight and the wisdom to actually ask

2736
01:54:41,350 --> 01:54:39,360
some sharp questions

2737
01:54:43,270 --> 01:54:41,360
and as you rightly pointed out one of

2738
01:54:45,510 --> 01:54:43,280
the people on the sidelines chanting at

2739
01:54:47,990 --> 01:54:45,520
the bit going my god i want to get in

2740
01:54:49,430 --> 01:54:48,000
there is tim burchard now i don't agree

2741
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:49,440
with tim burchard about everything he

2742
01:54:53,189 --> 01:54:51,280
says in politics but by golly i'm

2743
01:54:54,229 --> 01:54:53,199
cheering him on with the questions he's

2744
01:54:56,629 --> 01:54:54,239
asking

2745
01:54:58,709 --> 01:54:56,639
because fundamentally

2746
01:55:00,629 --> 01:54:58,719
this is another thing you know

2747
01:55:02,870 --> 01:55:00,639
we're talking on a very important day

2748
01:55:04,470 --> 01:55:02,880
for your country a national memorial day

2749
01:55:06,070 --> 01:55:04,480
where you honor your fallen men and

2750
01:55:07,830 --> 01:55:06,080
women in service

2751
01:55:09,750 --> 01:55:07,840
we have a similar day here in australia

2752
01:55:11,990 --> 01:55:09,760
called anzac day

2753
01:55:14,870 --> 01:55:12,000
and it's a very very solemn day it's the

2754
01:55:17,189 --> 01:55:14,880
most important day in our country

2755
01:55:19,589 --> 01:55:17,199
but these people have died for a reason

2756
01:55:21,669 --> 01:55:19,599
they've sacrificed for a reason they've

2757
01:55:24,070 --> 01:55:21,679
sacrificed for freedom

2758
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:24,080
they've sacrificed for the freedom most

2759
01:55:29,430 --> 01:55:26,880
of all for republican and democrat

2760
01:55:31,350 --> 01:55:29,440
senators and congressmen to ask hard

2761
01:55:33,589 --> 01:55:31,360
questions in the congress without fear

2762
01:55:37,510 --> 01:55:33,599
or favor to get answers from the

2763
01:55:39,990 --> 01:55:37,520
executive which after all is answerable

2764
01:55:41,830 --> 01:55:40,000
to you the people

2765
01:55:43,270 --> 01:55:41,840
and i just think sometimes our

2766
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:43,280
governments and our countries have

2767
01:55:48,149 --> 01:55:45,360
forgotten all about this

2768
01:55:50,390 --> 01:55:48,159
we live in representative democracy

2769
01:55:51,910 --> 01:55:50,400
and and the thing that shocks me as a

2770
01:55:54,149 --> 01:55:51,920
journalist and as somebody who i've

2771
01:55:56,470 --> 01:55:54,159
written in history books

2772
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:56,480
i can tell you the history that is

2773
01:56:01,109 --> 01:55:58,880
traced in the archival documents of your

2774
01:56:03,109 --> 01:56:01,119
government and mine

2775
01:56:05,589 --> 01:56:03,119
is a counter factual history to the

2776
01:56:08,709 --> 01:56:05,599
history that we've been told by our

2777
01:56:11,510 --> 01:56:08,719
governments about ufos and uaps

2778
01:56:12,390 --> 01:56:11,520
at the very same time that we've been

2779
01:56:14,550 --> 01:56:12,400
told

2780
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:14,560
ah it's all rubbish you know i've spoken

2781
01:56:17,990 --> 01:56:16,320
to politicians and they all sort of sit

2782
01:56:20,070 --> 01:56:18,000
back in their chair and laugh and they

2783
01:56:22,790 --> 01:56:20,080
go you're gonna ask me the ufo question

2784
01:56:25,510 --> 01:56:22,800
roscoe you know and it's this

2785
01:56:27,109 --> 01:56:25,520
humor this rebold humor that basically

2786
01:56:29,589 --> 01:56:27,119
happens when you raise the subject

2787
01:56:31,430 --> 01:56:29,599
matter why

2788
01:56:34,950 --> 01:56:31,440
why do we do that

2789
01:56:37,510 --> 01:56:34,960
it's it's so it's so ingrained you know

2790
01:56:41,910 --> 01:56:37,520
and they're hoping that they can deflect

2791
01:56:43,750 --> 01:56:41,920
um and and and on this uh i wanted to

2792
01:56:46,950 --> 01:56:43,760
ask you about this there were some

2793
01:56:48,709 --> 01:56:46,960
hidden gems there were some nuggets in

2794
01:56:52,070 --> 01:56:48,719
in the ufo hearing

2795
01:56:53,830 --> 01:56:52,080
and one of them came from schiff

2796
01:56:55,030 --> 01:56:53,840
uh representative schiff when

2797
01:56:58,870 --> 01:56:55,040
chairmanship

2798
01:57:01,750 --> 01:56:58,880
when he said uh what about uh

2799
01:57:05,669 --> 01:57:01,760
in the uap task force report

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01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:05,679
um radio frequencies and and energies

2801
01:57:12,709 --> 01:57:09,440
associated with ufos and uaps

2802
01:57:14,149 --> 01:57:12,719
and moultrie and bray

2803
01:57:16,149 --> 01:57:14,159
answered

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01:57:17,990 --> 01:57:16,159
with something very revealing but

2805
01:57:20,390 --> 01:57:18,000
cryptic at the same time

2806
01:57:22,149 --> 01:57:20,400
that they they basically they they buck

2807
01:57:25,189 --> 01:57:22,159
passed they said let's talk about that

2808
01:57:27,350 --> 01:57:25,199
in private session right

2809
01:57:29,750 --> 01:57:27,360
and look i know i know for a fact that

2810
01:57:32,629 --> 01:57:29,760
i've spoken publicly about this before

2811
01:57:34,470 --> 01:57:32,639
um i know for a fact that there is

2812
01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:34,480
attempts to track

2813
01:57:38,629 --> 01:57:37,040
and indeed bring down whatever these

2814
01:57:41,030 --> 01:57:38,639
phenomena are

2815
01:57:43,910 --> 01:57:41,040
um and they've been using tracking

2816
01:57:46,149 --> 01:57:43,920
technology since at least the 1950s

2817
01:57:48,709 --> 01:57:46,159
they've known the signals that allow

2818
01:57:50,550 --> 01:57:48,719
them to detect and predict where these

2819
01:57:52,950 --> 01:57:50,560
things are going to be

2820
01:57:56,070 --> 01:57:52,960
and i'm told this has been happening

2821
01:57:58,470 --> 01:57:56,080
yeah and bray and moultrie um

2822
01:58:02,709 --> 01:57:58,480
uh both stated

2823
01:58:04,830 --> 01:58:02,719
that they were attempting communication

2824
01:58:08,390 --> 01:58:04,840
with uap

2825
01:58:10,310 --> 01:58:08,400
now what what what do you that and they

2826
01:58:12,950 --> 01:58:10,320
didn't expand on it

2827
01:58:15,430 --> 01:58:12,960
but it certainly seems to me

2828
01:58:18,830 --> 01:58:15,440
that either they are communicating or

2829
01:58:21,669 --> 01:58:18,840
they know how uap is

2830
01:58:23,430 --> 01:58:21,679
communicating right is is that what you

2831
01:58:25,350 --> 01:58:23,440
got from that statement

2832
01:58:26,950 --> 01:58:25,360
well look frankly it was as clear as mud

2833
01:58:28,870 --> 01:58:26,960
what they did mean and i would have

2834
01:58:31,270 --> 01:58:28,880
loved to have been a fly on the wall in

2835
01:58:33,189 --> 01:58:31,280
the closed hearing where the full answer

2836
01:58:35,109 --> 01:58:33,199
to the question was given

2837
01:58:37,669 --> 01:58:35,119
but yeah i mean i'd clearly the

2838
01:58:40,629 --> 01:58:37,679
congressman we're on to the issue of

2839
01:58:42,629 --> 01:58:40,639
whether or not uh there's been attempts

2840
01:58:44,229 --> 01:58:42,639
to communicate with these objects and

2841
01:58:46,950 --> 01:58:44,239
whether or not it's possible to track

2842
01:58:49,350 --> 01:58:46,960
them using communications technology

2843
01:58:50,870 --> 01:58:49,360
my understanding and in fact i quote a

2844
01:58:53,030 --> 01:58:50,880
guy who

2845
01:58:55,030 --> 01:58:53,040
very kindly allowed himself to be quoted

2846
01:58:57,030 --> 01:58:55,040
on the record in my book

2847
01:58:58,709 --> 01:58:57,040
he's a former communications specialist

2848
01:59:00,629 --> 01:58:58,719
who was responsible for installing the

2849
01:59:02,950 --> 01:59:00,639
com system in the white house and he's

2850
01:59:03,910 --> 01:59:02,960
got a top secret compartmentalised

2851
01:59:07,189 --> 01:59:03,920
clearance

2852
01:59:09,109 --> 01:59:07,199
but he told me on the record that he was

2853
01:59:11,750 --> 01:59:09,119
present in an aerospace contractor

2854
01:59:14,149 --> 01:59:11,760
office where he was shown

2855
01:59:16,950 --> 01:59:14,159
technology which showed among other

2856
01:59:18,870 --> 01:59:16,960
things objects maneuvering in front of

2857
01:59:21,589 --> 01:59:18,880
satellites in orbit

2858
01:59:23,990 --> 01:59:21,599
and he was also shown

2859
01:59:26,470 --> 01:59:24,000
and briefed about

2860
01:59:29,430 --> 01:59:26,480
attempts to track objects that were

2861
01:59:30,390 --> 01:59:29,440
coming in and out of the water off

2862
01:59:32,070 --> 01:59:30,400
florida

2863
01:59:33,109 --> 01:59:32,080
on the southeastern coast of your

2864
01:59:35,109 --> 01:59:33,119
country

2865
01:59:37,589 --> 01:59:35,119
now i know a lot more about that

2866
01:59:39,109 --> 01:59:37,599
incident now but because i actually have

2867
01:59:41,669 --> 01:59:39,119
a respect for your intelligence

2868
01:59:43,350 --> 01:59:41,679
community and i know what's trying to be

2869
01:59:45,030 --> 01:59:43,360
done i don't really want to go into too

2870
01:59:47,910 --> 01:59:45,040
much detail here

2871
01:59:50,390 --> 01:59:47,920
but i i i know there is an active

2872
01:59:51,910 --> 01:59:50,400
program underway and one of the things

2873
01:59:54,709 --> 01:59:51,920
jimmy i did want to have a sort of a bit

2874
01:59:58,229 --> 01:59:54,719
of a rant about today is um there's a

2875
02:00:01,109 --> 01:59:58,239
growing troll twitter troll community

2876
02:00:03,189 --> 02:00:01,119
that has a swipe at people like me

2877
02:00:05,510 --> 02:00:03,199
who confined themselves to what they're

2878
02:00:08,550 --> 02:00:05,520
allowed to talk about by referring to

2879
02:00:09,750 --> 02:00:08,560
confidential anonymous sources

2880
02:00:11,510 --> 02:00:09,760
and a lot of people have been having a

2881
02:00:13,430 --> 02:00:11,520
swipe at me recently saying oh that

2882
02:00:15,109 --> 02:00:13,440
called hard guy you know keeps on

2883
02:00:16,470 --> 02:00:15,119
claiming he's spoken to such and such a

2884
02:00:17,750 --> 02:00:16,480
source you know why doesn't he just name

2885
02:00:19,270 --> 02:00:17,760
the source

2886
02:00:21,350 --> 02:00:19,280
and to me it's a fundamental

2887
02:00:23,430 --> 02:00:21,360
misunderstanding of basic investigative

2888
02:00:25,350 --> 02:00:23,440
journalism that's basically defined how

2889
02:00:27,350 --> 02:00:25,360
american journalism operates for much of

2890
02:00:29,910 --> 02:00:27,360
the last hundred years

2891
02:00:32,470 --> 02:00:29,920
confidential sources are part and parcel

2892
02:00:34,870 --> 02:00:32,480
of modern journalism they are essential

2893
02:00:37,750 --> 02:00:34,880
and the reason why is because for people

2894
02:00:40,229 --> 02:00:37,760
to talk to me is arguably in breach of

2895
02:00:43,589 --> 02:00:40,239
their national security oaf there is a

2896
02:00:45,990 --> 02:00:43,599
very very strict constraint on people's

2897
02:00:48,070 --> 02:00:46,000
freedom to talk about this issue

2898
02:00:49,910 --> 02:00:48,080
there are people in the us government

2899
02:00:52,870 --> 02:00:49,920
most notably in the u.s air force who

2900
02:00:55,270 --> 02:00:52,880
are trying to shut this issue down

2901
02:00:58,470 --> 02:00:55,280
and that's why this congressional

2902
02:01:00,310 --> 02:00:58,480
hearing is so revolutionary because not

2903
02:01:03,350 --> 02:01:00,320
only are we having public hearings

2904
02:01:05,589 --> 02:01:03,360
they've been private hearings since 2018

2905
02:01:08,070 --> 02:01:05,599
and many of the representatives and

2906
02:01:11,030 --> 02:01:08,080
senators who are now asking questions

2907
02:01:13,430 --> 02:01:11,040
are asking questions informed by what

2908
02:01:16,149 --> 02:01:13,440
they've already seen

2909
02:01:19,270 --> 02:01:16,159
and that's why they're so wound up about

2910
02:01:20,629 --> 02:01:19,280
it because they know stuff you and i

2911
02:01:24,070 --> 02:01:20,639
don't know

2912
02:01:27,270 --> 02:01:24,080
have they pinpointed you can tap tap

2913
02:01:29,189 --> 02:01:27,280
once for yes twice for no

2914
02:01:31,589 --> 02:01:29,199
have they pinpointed that location in

2915
02:01:33,910 --> 02:01:31,599
the atlantic ocean

2916
02:01:35,589 --> 02:01:33,920
uh yes they have yeah yeah i've heard

2917
02:01:37,270 --> 02:01:35,599
the same thing

2918
02:01:38,790 --> 02:01:37,280
yeah and and indeed there are other

2919
02:01:40,470 --> 02:01:38,800
locations all around the world where

2920
02:01:41,750 --> 02:01:40,480
they've witnessed objects coming in and

2921
02:01:43,109 --> 02:01:41,760
out of the sea

2922
02:01:45,109 --> 02:01:43,119
one of the problems and actually got a

2923
02:01:47,189 --> 02:01:45,119
lot of respect for this is

2924
02:01:50,470 --> 02:01:47,199
you know america has as we're now seeing

2925
02:01:51,189 --> 02:01:50,480
in ukraine vastly superior technology

2926
02:01:53,189 --> 02:01:51,199
to

2927
02:01:54,550 --> 02:01:53,199
russia no matter what the russians say

2928
02:01:56,470 --> 02:01:54,560
and how much they brag about the

2929
02:01:58,550 --> 02:01:56,480
hypersonic missiles

2930
02:02:02,629 --> 02:01:58,560
they are getting

2931
02:02:05,270 --> 02:02:02,639
almighty embarrassed and tranced with

2932
02:02:08,550 --> 02:02:05,280
superior american british and french and

2933
02:02:10,790 --> 02:02:08,560
german technology in ukraine and that's

2934
02:02:12,390 --> 02:02:10,800
a good thing frankly tyranny and

2935
02:02:13,910 --> 02:02:12,400
dictatorships should not be allowed to

2936
02:02:15,910 --> 02:02:13,920
dominate over

2937
02:02:18,229 --> 02:02:15,920
people trying to exercise their rights

2938
02:02:20,390 --> 02:02:18,239
of freedom of choice

2939
02:02:23,270 --> 02:02:20,400
and the interesting thing is that there

2940
02:02:25,990 --> 02:02:23,280
is technology that is being used for the

2941
02:02:29,030 --> 02:02:26,000
detection of underwater objects

2942
02:02:30,709 --> 02:02:29,040
which we use as part of your strategic

2943
02:02:32,470 --> 02:02:30,719
nuclear defense

2944
02:02:33,750 --> 02:02:32,480
that is very very important it's not

2945
02:02:36,070 --> 02:02:33,760
just acoustic

2946
02:02:37,750 --> 02:02:36,080
it's electromagnetic and that's all i

2947
02:02:40,390 --> 02:02:37,760
can say basically

2948
02:02:41,189 --> 02:02:40,400
the us is way ahead of russia on this

2949
02:02:46,870 --> 02:02:41,199
and

2950
02:02:48,229 --> 02:02:46,880
revealed

2951
02:02:50,870 --> 02:02:48,239
but

2952
02:02:53,030 --> 02:02:50,880
it it's real and they do have incredibly

2953
02:02:55,830 --> 02:02:53,040
good data on

2954
02:02:57,510 --> 02:02:55,840
what's being seen underwater

2955
02:02:58,629 --> 02:02:57,520
and

2956
02:03:01,589 --> 02:02:58,639
i know

2957
02:03:03,669 --> 02:03:01,599
because people have told me what's been

2958
02:03:05,350 --> 02:03:03,679
revealed about it i know that certain

2959
02:03:07,030 --> 02:03:05,360
members of congress and senators are

2960
02:03:09,030 --> 02:03:07,040
aware of this

2961
02:03:10,790 --> 02:03:09,040
let's take our break right here and when

2962
02:03:12,950 --> 02:03:10,800
we come back i want to talk a little bit

2963
02:03:15,990 --> 02:03:12,960
about social media

2964
02:03:18,310 --> 02:03:16,000
and what is happening out there i i made

2965
02:03:20,790 --> 02:03:18,320
some comments earlier today the

2966
02:03:23,350 --> 02:03:20,800
beginning of the show ross that it just

2967
02:03:25,830 --> 02:03:23,360
seems like people don't want us to have

2968
02:03:28,390 --> 02:03:25,840
an open conversation about this

2969
02:03:30,709 --> 02:03:28,400
and it has uh

2970
02:03:32,709 --> 02:03:30,719
it's it's become very visible in in

2971
02:03:34,950 --> 02:03:32,719
social media the question is who is

2972
02:03:37,270 --> 02:03:34,960
doing it and why we'll talk about that

2973
02:03:39,830 --> 02:03:37,280
and much more tonight our guest ross

2974
02:03:41,669 --> 02:03:39,840
cohart live from australia

2975
02:03:43,430 --> 02:03:41,679
one segment left i'm going to try to

2976
02:03:44,790 --> 02:03:43,440
squeeze it all in i'm going to do my

2977
02:03:47,189 --> 02:03:44,800
best

2978
02:03:48,709 --> 02:03:47,199
ross cultheart from australia this is

2979
02:03:53,930 --> 02:03:48,719
fade to black we'll be right back after

2980
02:04:00,629 --> 02:03:59,270
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02:04:07,830 --> 02:04:00,639
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i love ponies i really love ponies i'm

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02:06:55,910 --> 02:06:53,679
serious

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02:06:57,669 --> 02:06:55,920
i couldn't stay sane without ponies to

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02:06:59,350 --> 02:06:57,679
rush

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02:07:11,810 --> 02:06:59,360
fade to black

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on the game changer radio network

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[Music]

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02:07:27,109 --> 02:07:25,440
all right welcome back fade to black i

3045
02:07:29,589 --> 02:07:27,119
am your host jimmy church tonight ross

3046
02:07:31,910 --> 02:07:29,599
colfar tomorrow night billy carson

3047
02:07:34,069 --> 02:07:31,920
wednesday night john burroughs

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02:07:35,030 --> 02:07:34,079
thursday night is open lines it is fader

3049
02:07:37,510 --> 02:07:35,040
nights

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02:07:40,069 --> 02:07:37,520
open lines all night long but tonight

3051
02:07:42,629 --> 02:07:40,079
it's ross culthart uh live from

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02:07:45,669 --> 02:07:42,639
australia i'm waiting uh

3053
02:07:46,709 --> 02:07:45,679
uh for ross to come back into the green

3054
02:07:49,189 --> 02:07:46,719
room

3055
02:07:50,470 --> 02:07:49,199
and uh he has

3056
02:07:53,589 --> 02:07:50,480
exited

3057
02:07:54,709 --> 02:07:53,599
the stage and uh one of the things that

3058
02:08:01,990 --> 02:07:54,719
um

3059
02:08:04,870 --> 02:08:02,000
is what is going on in social media

3060
02:08:07,510 --> 02:08:04,880
and i i just find it very interesting

3061
02:08:09,990 --> 02:08:07,520
how um our community

3062
02:08:12,310 --> 02:08:10,000
uh in general is just an open-minded

3063
02:08:13,990 --> 02:08:12,320
community with it doesn't matter you

3064
02:08:15,750 --> 02:08:14,000
know what you

3065
02:08:17,189 --> 02:08:15,760
uh what you want to talk about or what

3066
02:08:19,270 --> 02:08:17,199
you want to discuss or what you've

3067
02:08:20,870 --> 02:08:19,280
experienced everything is on the table i

3068
02:08:23,510 --> 02:08:20,880
had said

3069
02:08:24,950 --> 02:08:23,520
years ago it was uh

3070
02:08:27,510 --> 02:08:24,960
um oh

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02:08:29,830 --> 02:08:27,520
ross ross is back and let's see i'm

3072
02:08:32,310 --> 02:08:29,840
waiting for headphones on i think i

3073
02:08:34,950 --> 02:08:32,320
think ross uh took a lunch break and uh

3074
02:08:38,149 --> 02:08:34,960
that's okay right yeah you can do that

3075
02:08:39,669 --> 02:08:38,159
um ross one of the things um

3076
02:08:42,390 --> 02:08:39,679
uh i'm

3077
02:08:43,669 --> 02:08:42,400
just gonna say this really quickly

3078
02:08:46,390 --> 02:08:43,679
probably

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02:08:48,790 --> 02:08:46,400
14 years ago 15 years ago i attended my

3080
02:08:51,270 --> 02:08:48,800
first mufon meeting okay

3081
02:08:52,310 --> 02:08:51,280
now i'm i'm doing sports radio at that

3082
02:08:55,669 --> 02:08:52,320
time

3083
02:08:58,229 --> 02:08:55,679
but uh uh my interest in in ufos right

3084
02:09:00,709 --> 02:08:58,239
so i'm there but i've always kept it to

3085
02:09:03,109 --> 02:09:00,719
myself and i go to a move on meeting and

3086
02:09:05,510 --> 02:09:03,119
i'm standing there ross as i live and

3087
02:09:08,470 --> 02:09:05,520
breathe somebody to the left of me is

3088
02:09:10,629 --> 02:09:08,480
telling me about their bigfoot uh ufo

3089
02:09:12,629 --> 02:09:10,639
encounter somebody in front of me is

3090
02:09:14,709 --> 02:09:12,639
talking about their friend's abduction

3091
02:09:16,310 --> 02:09:14,719
experience uh with some other people

3092
02:09:18,069 --> 02:09:16,320
somebody over here talking about a

3093
02:09:20,229 --> 02:09:18,079
sighting that they had a couple of years

3094
02:09:22,470 --> 02:09:20,239
ago and communicating with and i'm

3095
02:09:23,430 --> 02:09:22,480
thinking to myself man these are my

3096
02:09:26,229 --> 02:09:23,440
people

3097
02:09:28,870 --> 02:09:26,239
right we can sit and have these converse

3098
02:09:31,189 --> 02:09:28,880
say i have been holding it in right

3099
02:09:33,430 --> 02:09:31,199
but i can come here and speak freely

3100
02:09:36,229 --> 02:09:33,440
that's what the ufo community is about

3101
02:09:38,470 --> 02:09:36,239
and by and large on social media that is

3102
02:09:41,589 --> 02:09:38,480
what the ufo community is it's an open

3103
02:09:42,950 --> 02:09:41,599
mind everything is allowed to be put on

3104
02:09:45,589 --> 02:09:42,960
the table

3105
02:09:47,430 --> 02:09:45,599
and it seems that lately there's a

3106
02:09:49,430 --> 02:09:47,440
concerted effort

3107
02:09:50,629 --> 02:09:49,440
from those that are not a part of this

3108
02:09:51,430 --> 02:09:50,639
community

3109
02:09:53,109 --> 02:09:51,440
to

3110
02:09:55,750 --> 02:09:53,119
get us arguing

3111
02:09:57,510 --> 02:09:55,760
to get us

3112
02:10:00,470 --> 02:09:57,520
put on blinders

3113
02:10:04,069 --> 02:10:00,480
to not suddenly not have an open mind

3114
02:10:06,870 --> 02:10:04,079
and and not to trust anybody

3115
02:10:09,669 --> 02:10:06,880
and i find that very very interesting

3116
02:10:13,109 --> 02:10:09,679
what do you think is going on

3117
02:10:15,430 --> 02:10:13,119
i think in part to be honest jimmy it's

3118
02:10:17,350 --> 02:10:15,440
old guard

3119
02:10:18,390 --> 02:10:17,360
people who've enjoyed a dominant

3120
02:10:20,470 --> 02:10:18,400
position

3121
02:10:21,189 --> 02:10:20,480
in

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02:10:22,709 --> 02:10:21,199
woo

3123
02:10:26,069 --> 02:10:22,719
ufology

3124
02:10:28,709 --> 02:10:26,079
who are resentful that

3125
02:10:30,470 --> 02:10:28,719
there's now a broader greater interest

3126
02:10:32,870 --> 02:10:30,480
in the subject matter

3127
02:10:35,669 --> 02:10:32,880
and i i won't name names but i think

3128
02:10:37,270 --> 02:10:35,679
some people are trolling for the benefit

3129
02:10:38,709 --> 02:10:37,280
of trolling just to keep themselves

3130
02:10:39,589 --> 02:10:38,719
getting clickbait

3131
02:10:42,310 --> 02:10:39,599
uh

3132
02:10:45,669 --> 02:10:42,320
you know i've been quite struck in

3133
02:10:47,510 --> 02:10:45,679
recent weeks by how

3134
02:10:51,270 --> 02:10:47,520
there's a growing

3135
02:10:53,350 --> 02:10:51,280
number of anonymous twitter accounts

3136
02:10:54,830 --> 02:10:53,360
that are running very much the same line

3137
02:10:57,189 --> 02:10:54,840
[Music]

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02:10:58,390 --> 02:10:57,199
pushing skepticism

3139
02:11:01,430 --> 02:10:58,400
pushing

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02:11:03,910 --> 02:11:01,440
a um you know why is anybody flogging a

3141
02:11:05,350 --> 02:11:03,920
dead horse on this issue you know um you

3142
02:11:07,669 --> 02:11:05,360
know how much longer are they going to

3143
02:11:09,669 --> 02:11:07,679
go go on about this stuff

3144
02:11:12,069 --> 02:11:09,679
somebody's trying to influence the

3145
02:11:13,589 --> 02:11:12,079
narrative and a lot of them are names i

3146
02:11:15,669 --> 02:11:13,599
don't see i mean

3147
02:11:17,430 --> 02:11:15,679
i've been quite

3148
02:11:18,950 --> 02:11:17,440
lucky i guess to

3149
02:11:21,430 --> 02:11:18,960
be able to draw

3150
02:11:23,750 --> 02:11:21,440
a very engaged and interested twitter

3151
02:11:26,470 --> 02:11:23,760
audience on social media

3152
02:11:28,870 --> 02:11:26,480
and particularly through the podcast

3153
02:11:31,990 --> 02:11:28,880
that i'm doing with um my friend bryce

3154
02:11:34,629 --> 02:11:32,000
zabel need to know dot today

3155
02:11:37,350 --> 02:11:34,639
and we're getting a lot of people who

3156
02:11:38,550 --> 02:11:37,360
are for the first time intellectually

3157
02:11:39,910 --> 02:11:38,560
engaged

3158
02:11:42,470 --> 02:11:39,920
people who tell us they've never been

3159
02:11:45,109 --> 02:11:42,480
interested in this subject matter before

3160
02:11:46,870 --> 02:11:45,119
and they're feeling that they can engage

3161
02:11:49,910 --> 02:11:46,880
because what we're trying to do is

3162
02:11:51,350 --> 02:11:49,920
engage with this in a a journalistic way

3163
02:11:53,109 --> 02:11:51,360
like you do you know a rigorous

3164
02:11:56,069 --> 02:11:53,119
journalistic way where you basically

3165
02:11:57,589 --> 02:11:56,079
come in and objectively assist the facts

3166
02:11:59,990 --> 02:11:57,599
one of the things that i've often been

3167
02:12:02,069 --> 02:12:00,000
very impatient about is

3168
02:12:04,229 --> 02:12:02,079
well for example the way that the ufo

3169
02:12:06,790 --> 02:12:04,239
community treated the

3170
02:12:09,589 --> 02:12:06,800
absolute nonsense that that individual

3171
02:12:12,629 --> 02:12:09,599
anjali presented earlier on

3172
02:12:14,550 --> 02:12:12,639
this and last year right um i i don't

3173
02:12:15,990 --> 02:12:14,560
know too much about that individual but

3174
02:12:18,310 --> 02:12:16,000
basically

3175
02:12:20,390 --> 02:12:18,320
uh the moment that i heard their

3176
02:12:22,629 --> 02:12:20,400
assertions about you know

3177
02:12:24,709 --> 02:12:22,639
alien beings hidden inside a mountain

3178
02:12:26,950 --> 02:12:24,719
and going down a tunnel that was dug

3179
02:12:28,870 --> 02:12:26,960
through a hill

3180
02:12:30,709 --> 02:12:28,880
i thought okay well you know give them

3181
02:12:32,470 --> 02:12:30,719
to the benefit of the dart i'll believe

3182
02:12:34,229 --> 02:12:32,480
it when i see it

3183
02:12:36,709 --> 02:12:34,239
but until that point there's absolutely

3184
02:12:39,350 --> 02:12:36,719
no point in giving it fuel giving it air

3185
02:12:41,270 --> 02:12:39,360
uh because one of the problems i think

3186
02:12:44,069 --> 02:12:41,280
is that there's a lot of

3187
02:12:45,830 --> 02:12:44,079
there's a lot of at the community on um

3188
02:12:47,669 --> 02:12:45,840
ufo twitter

3189
02:12:50,149 --> 02:12:47,679
who only exist

3190
02:12:50,950 --> 02:12:50,159
because there's something to talk about

3191
02:12:52,870 --> 02:12:50,960
and

3192
02:12:54,629 --> 02:12:52,880
there's an impatience i've i've noticed

3193
02:12:56,470 --> 02:12:54,639
i'm actually you're actually one of the

3194
02:12:59,109 --> 02:12:56,480
last interviews i'm going to be doing

3195
02:13:01,990 --> 02:12:59,119
for quite some time because

3196
02:13:04,790 --> 02:13:02,000
i'm withdrawing from public commentary

3197
02:13:07,669 --> 02:13:04,800
just so i can have the time to start

3198
02:13:09,669 --> 02:13:07,679
addressing the mountain of information

3199
02:13:11,270 --> 02:13:09,679
that i've been getting from people

3200
02:13:13,350 --> 02:13:11,280
i'm still going to be doing my podcast

3201
02:13:14,790 --> 02:13:13,360
with bryce on need to know today but

3202
02:13:18,550 --> 02:13:14,800
we're

3203
02:13:20,790 --> 02:13:18,560
to what we produce

3204
02:13:24,069 --> 02:13:20,800
and this is because frankly

3205
02:13:27,430 --> 02:13:24,079
a lot of ufo twitter is is eating itself

3206
02:13:30,470 --> 02:13:27,440
it's as soon as lua lazondo does what

3207
02:13:32,629 --> 02:13:30,480
frankly he's achieved which is momentous

3208
02:13:35,910 --> 02:13:32,639
i mean who would have thought three four

3209
02:13:37,750 --> 02:13:35,920
years ago when ttsa first pushed this

3210
02:13:40,310 --> 02:13:37,760
former counterintelligence official onto

3211
02:13:41,589 --> 02:13:40,320
a stage and presented him to the world

3212
02:13:43,830 --> 02:13:41,599
who would have thought that we were

3213
02:13:45,350 --> 02:13:43,840
looking at hearings in the congress

3214
02:13:46,950 --> 02:13:45,360
where officials were being called to

3215
02:13:49,430 --> 02:13:46,960
give evidence

3216
02:13:51,430 --> 02:13:49,440
whatever you think of louis luzondo

3217
02:13:53,669 --> 02:13:51,440
whatever you think of christopher mellon

3218
02:13:56,870 --> 02:13:53,679
that is a momentous achievement

3219
02:14:00,069 --> 02:13:56,880
and by all means exercise skepticism by

3220
02:14:01,990 --> 02:14:00,079
all means ask hard questions

3221
02:14:03,990 --> 02:14:02,000
but i mean one of the most specious

3222
02:14:06,390 --> 02:14:04,000
pieces of [\h__\h] i've seen in a long

3223
02:14:09,030 --> 02:14:06,400
time was a a documentary that was put

3224
02:14:11,189 --> 02:14:09,040
out called um who's lou

3225
02:14:14,229 --> 02:14:11,199
and ultimately it was just an attempt at

3226
02:14:16,149 --> 02:14:14,239
a dirt job by somebody who frankly

3227
02:14:18,709 --> 02:14:16,159
postured as an investigative journalist

3228
02:14:21,109 --> 02:14:18,719
presented a huge amount of information

3229
02:14:23,030 --> 02:14:21,119
but behind all the smoke there wasn't

3230
02:14:25,030 --> 02:14:23,040
much fire at all i couldn't see any

3231
02:14:26,870 --> 02:14:25,040
substantive material i watched it and

3232
02:14:29,270 --> 02:14:26,880
sat through what was i think

3233
02:14:30,390 --> 02:14:29,280
interminable two or three hours of

3234
02:14:31,990 --> 02:14:30,400
nonsense

3235
02:14:35,030 --> 02:14:32,000
and essentially what it was was a

3236
02:14:37,830 --> 02:14:35,040
hatchet job on on one person who's done

3237
02:14:40,709 --> 02:14:37,840
a momentous amount to raise public

3238
02:14:42,950 --> 02:14:40,719
awareness about the issue of uaps

3239
02:14:45,109 --> 02:14:42,960
and it's interesting because

3240
02:14:48,950 --> 02:14:45,119
i just wonder whether the ufo community

3241
02:14:51,510 --> 02:14:48,960
realizes what it's doing because

3242
02:14:54,870 --> 02:14:51,520
it takes courage for public officials to

3243
02:14:56,709 --> 02:14:54,880
come forward not only is the issue of um

3244
02:14:58,629 --> 02:14:56,719
stepping outside the comfort zone of

3245
02:15:00,870 --> 02:14:58,639
your national security oath and speaking

3246
02:15:03,030 --> 02:15:00,880
about things that are probably

3247
02:15:04,790 --> 02:15:03,040
borderline beyond what you should be

3248
02:15:06,470 --> 02:15:04,800
talking about because you've basically

3249
02:15:07,589 --> 02:15:06,480
been working in the secret world for so

3250
02:15:10,229 --> 02:15:07,599
many years

3251
02:15:12,470 --> 02:15:10,239
there's also the issue of engaging on a

3252
02:15:14,229 --> 02:15:12,480
subject that everybody ridicules i felt

3253
02:15:16,709 --> 02:15:14,239
it the same way in the mainstream media

3254
02:15:18,550 --> 02:15:16,719
i've i've copped abuse and denigration

3255
02:15:20,310 --> 02:15:18,560
from colleagues in the mainstream media

3256
02:15:22,310 --> 02:15:20,320
who frankly some of them have actually

3257
02:15:24,069 --> 02:15:22,320
had the decency to ring me and apologize

3258
02:15:25,830 --> 02:15:24,079
in the last few weeks since they've seen

3259
02:15:27,990 --> 02:15:25,840
the hearings before the congress they've

3260
02:15:29,589 --> 02:15:28,000
gone actually you know what roscoe this

3261
02:15:32,310 --> 02:15:29,599
is for real this is you know you're not

3262
02:15:34,550 --> 02:15:32,320
just making this up this is for real

3263
02:15:37,189 --> 02:15:34,560
but i'm really struck by the fact that

3264
02:15:39,510 --> 02:15:37,199
the community that represents people who

3265
02:15:41,189 --> 02:15:39,520
are engaged and collaborating and

3266
02:15:43,589 --> 02:15:41,199
researching this issue

3267
02:15:45,750 --> 02:15:43,599
by far the vast majority of them are

3268
02:15:49,030 --> 02:15:45,760
people who are intellectually engaged

3269
02:15:50,870 --> 02:15:49,040
interested and who welcome a skeptical

3270
02:15:53,030 --> 02:15:50,880
rejoinder i mean for example there's a

3271
02:15:54,950 --> 02:15:53,040
lot of people who keep on attacking nick

3272
02:15:57,430 --> 02:15:54,960
west who

3273
02:15:59,109 --> 02:15:57,440
sadly i think has strayed a bit close to

3274
02:16:01,750 --> 02:15:59,119
becoming a debunker rather than a

3275
02:16:04,870 --> 02:16:01,760
skeptic in recent weeks but most of the

3276
02:16:08,069 --> 02:16:04,880
time i really admire mick west we need

3277
02:16:10,470 --> 02:16:08,079
people like mick west you need skeptics

3278
02:16:13,750 --> 02:16:10,480
you need a skeptical rejoinder

3279
02:16:16,149 --> 02:16:13,760
we do get things wrong it's easy to

3280
02:16:18,870 --> 02:16:16,159
operate with a conformational bias

3281
02:16:21,030 --> 02:16:18,880
and see patterns that aren't there or

3282
02:16:22,790 --> 02:16:21,040
things that don't quite make sense

3283
02:16:24,790 --> 02:16:22,800
sometimes you just got to have you got

3284
02:16:25,750 --> 02:16:24,800
to be brought back to center

3285
02:16:28,149 --> 02:16:25,760
you know

3286
02:16:30,950 --> 02:16:28,159
absolutely absolutely

3287
02:16:31,750 --> 02:16:30,960
so so i i really do think you know we

3288
02:16:34,549 --> 02:16:31,760
you know

3289
02:16:36,389 --> 02:16:34,559
the vast majority of the community is is

3290
02:16:38,790 --> 02:16:36,399
doing exactly the right thing it's

3291
02:16:40,469 --> 02:16:38,800
embracing and welcoming into it people

3292
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:40,479
who are coming into the subject matter

3293
02:16:44,950 --> 02:16:42,639
new for the first time and the one thing

3294
02:16:47,429 --> 02:16:44,960
i'm very proud of is

3295
02:16:49,270 --> 02:16:47,439
through a a community of people that

3296
02:16:51,110 --> 02:16:49,280
i've made friends with you know this

3297
02:16:52,070 --> 02:16:51,120
facebook messenger groups that i belong

3298
02:16:56,150 --> 02:16:52,080
to

3299
02:16:57,990 --> 02:16:56,160
information groups that have been

3300
02:16:59,349 --> 02:16:58,000
incredibly helpful positive and

3301
02:17:01,030 --> 02:16:59,359
collaborative

3302
02:17:03,589 --> 02:17:01,040
there are a wonderful community of

3303
02:17:06,389 --> 02:17:03,599
intelligent people who recognize that

3304
02:17:08,709 --> 02:17:06,399
there is an anomalous phenomena here

3305
02:17:10,709 --> 02:17:08,719
that cannot be ridiculed shouldn't be

3306
02:17:12,230 --> 02:17:10,719
dismissed and should be engaged with and

3307
02:17:13,990 --> 02:17:12,240
investigated

3308
02:17:15,110 --> 02:17:14,000
but at the same time that this is

3309
02:17:18,309 --> 02:17:15,120
happening

3310
02:17:21,349 --> 02:17:18,319
there is this nasty little troll

3311
02:17:23,589 --> 02:17:21,359
audience that is going look at me look

3312
02:17:25,669 --> 02:17:23,599
at me i'm being nasty i'm saying

3313
02:17:28,870 --> 02:17:25,679
horrible things about people because i i

3314
02:17:31,270 --> 02:17:28,880
basically want to stay relevant and that

3315
02:17:33,910 --> 02:17:31,280
frankly is absurd the way they can stay

3316
02:17:35,589 --> 02:17:33,920
relevant is by continuing to provide

3317
02:17:38,469 --> 02:17:35,599
quality analysis

3318
02:17:39,830 --> 02:17:38,479
and doing thorough research

3319
02:17:42,790 --> 02:17:39,840
and

3320
02:17:44,870 --> 02:17:42,800
there is this weird troll audience in

3321
02:17:46,549 --> 02:17:44,880
social media that frankly think it's a

3322
02:17:48,070 --> 02:17:46,559
good idea to

3323
02:17:51,270 --> 02:17:48,080
pull down

3324
02:17:53,830 --> 02:17:51,280
uh people like elizondo for example

3325
02:17:56,150 --> 02:17:53,840
and they constantly insinuate that he's

3326
02:17:58,469 --> 02:17:56,160
a dark force of the deep state and that

3327
02:18:00,070 --> 02:17:58,479
he's doing some kind of

3328
02:18:02,070 --> 02:18:00,080
dirty work for the government as a

3329
02:18:04,070 --> 02:18:02,080
counterintelligence agent well if you're

3330
02:18:05,030 --> 02:18:04,080
going to make claims like that

3331
02:18:06,870 --> 02:18:05,040
prove it

3332
02:18:08,389 --> 02:18:06,880
give me the evidence i'd love to hear it

3333
02:18:10,070 --> 02:18:08,399
if you think that you've got evidence

3334
02:18:11,750 --> 02:18:10,080
that proves that louis lozando is

3335
02:18:14,070 --> 02:18:11,760
continuing to work as an operative of

3336
02:18:15,910 --> 02:18:14,080
the us intelligence community

3337
02:18:17,830 --> 02:18:15,920
then prove it i mean i noticed somebody

3338
02:18:19,910 --> 02:18:17,840
made a big song and dance the other day

3339
02:18:22,309 --> 02:18:19,920
about how lou

3340
02:18:23,429 --> 02:18:22,319
was described by daniel sheehan his

3341
02:18:24,549 --> 02:18:23,439
attorney

3342
02:18:27,030 --> 02:18:24,559
as

3343
02:18:29,750 --> 02:18:27,040
continuing to work for u.s space command

3344
02:18:31,509 --> 02:18:29,760
and to advise them on uaps

3345
02:18:33,110 --> 02:18:31,519
and everybody went oh there's the deep

3346
02:18:35,270 --> 02:18:33,120
state yeah there it is that's that's

3347
02:18:45,429 --> 02:18:35,280
your evidence

3348
02:18:50,709 --> 02:18:47,910
ross if they contacted you if space

3349
02:18:55,270 --> 02:18:50,719
command contacted you you would sign up

3350
02:18:59,030 --> 02:18:56,870
i couldn't help myself jimmy i'd

3351
02:19:00,790 --> 02:18:59,040
basically grab every file i could run

3352
02:19:02,709 --> 02:19:00,800
out the door with all the videos of

3353
02:19:03,349 --> 02:19:02,719
strange objects around the space shuttle

3354
02:19:04,709 --> 02:19:03,359
and

3355
02:19:07,190 --> 02:19:04,719
different objects around the space

3356
02:19:09,270 --> 02:19:07,200
station i'd pull every executive in and

3357
02:19:11,669 --> 02:19:09,280
i'd say okay i want the truth and i want

3358
02:19:14,549 --> 02:19:11,679
nothing but the truth and the the bottom

3359
02:19:16,230 --> 02:19:14,559
line is um uh you know i'm hoping lou's

3360
02:19:17,750 --> 02:19:16,240
doing that inside space command but i

3361
02:19:19,910 --> 02:19:17,760
strongly doubt he is but isn't it a

3362
02:19:22,309 --> 02:19:19,920
fantastic thing that they're relying on

3363
02:19:25,589 --> 02:19:22,319
somebody with his expertise to give them

3364
02:19:28,790 --> 02:19:27,910
it represents a level of open-mindedness

3365
02:19:30,790 --> 02:19:28,800
by

3366
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:30,800
the space command that frankly i'm not

3367
02:19:35,750 --> 02:19:33,040
seeing another us government agency it's

3368
02:19:37,270 --> 02:19:35,760
needed if space command space force came

3369
02:19:38,790 --> 02:19:37,280
to jimmy church

3370
02:19:41,509 --> 02:19:38,800
and said hey you just want to have a

3371
02:19:43,030 --> 02:19:41,519
conversation and we need some advice

3372
02:19:44,629 --> 02:19:43,040
can we ask you some questions you want

3373
02:19:45,509 --> 02:19:44,639
to be a consultant

3374
02:19:48,230 --> 02:19:45,519
yeah

3375
02:19:49,990 --> 02:19:48,240
that doesn't make me a chill you know

3376
02:19:53,270 --> 02:19:50,000
that does it yeah

3377
02:19:55,910 --> 02:19:53,280
no absolutely not that that can that

3378
02:19:57,110 --> 02:19:55,920
component of this is exactly what has

3379
02:19:59,750 --> 02:19:57,120
been missing

3380
02:20:01,590 --> 02:19:59,760
for so many years it's breathtakingly

3381
02:20:03,830 --> 02:20:01,600
naive and

3382
02:20:05,030 --> 02:20:03,840
um you know frankly

3383
02:20:07,270 --> 02:20:05,040
uh

3384
02:20:09,429 --> 02:20:07,280
it's clear to me from the research that

3385
02:20:11,750 --> 02:20:09,439
i've done that there are two factions

3386
02:20:14,150 --> 02:20:11,760
operating at the moment inside the

3387
02:20:17,670 --> 02:20:14,160
military industrial establishment of the

3388
02:20:20,150 --> 02:20:17,680
united states there are a bunch of

3389
02:20:22,710 --> 02:20:20,160
mainly religious nutters who are

3390
02:20:26,070 --> 02:20:22,720
evangelical christians who think that

3391
02:20:28,469 --> 02:20:26,080
you and i will be offended by the

3392
02:20:29,670 --> 02:20:28,479
what they believe are demonic

3393
02:20:31,590 --> 02:20:29,680
um

3394
02:20:33,590 --> 02:20:31,600
entities that are behind whatever this

3395
02:20:35,510 --> 02:20:33,600
is i've got no idea what they're talking

3396
02:20:38,389 --> 02:20:35,520
about but people have actually said to

3397
02:20:40,710 --> 02:20:38,399
me the large part of this is driven by

3398
02:20:42,790 --> 02:20:40,720
religious convictions particularly

3399
02:20:43,750 --> 02:20:42,800
inside the u.s air force

3400
02:20:45,110 --> 02:20:43,760
and

3401
02:20:46,950 --> 02:20:45,120
it's interesting because when i've

3402
02:20:50,150 --> 02:20:46,960
engaged with people in the u.s air force

3403
02:20:52,630 --> 02:20:50,160
quite often i'm asked are you christian

3404
02:20:54,790 --> 02:20:52,640
and i was raised christian i went

3405
02:20:56,309 --> 02:20:54,800
through boys boarding school in new

3406
02:20:57,990 --> 02:20:56,319
zealand and

3407
02:20:59,750 --> 02:20:58,000
uh you know i think if anything puts you

3408
02:21:01,349 --> 02:20:59,760
off christianity it's being sent through

3409
02:21:04,230 --> 02:21:01,359
boarding school and having to go to

3410
02:21:06,469 --> 02:21:04,240
church every day but no i i have raised

3411
02:21:08,309 --> 02:21:06,479
my children with the morals and the

3412
02:21:10,630 --> 02:21:08,319
beliefs of christian religion and i

3413
02:21:12,870 --> 02:21:10,640
think jesus probably was a real person

3414
02:21:15,990 --> 02:21:12,880
but i don't define the way i see my

3415
02:21:17,990 --> 02:21:16,000
world through a christian perspective

3416
02:21:20,230 --> 02:21:18,000
i'm open to all religions and i think a

3417
02:21:21,190 --> 02:21:20,240
lot of them say pretty much the same

3418
02:21:23,030 --> 02:21:21,200
thing

3419
02:21:23,990 --> 02:21:23,040
and isn't it interesting what they do

3420
02:21:26,630 --> 02:21:24,000
say

3421
02:21:28,710 --> 02:21:26,640
because they're all talking about

3422
02:21:30,150 --> 02:21:28,720
a super intelligence that is

3423
02:21:32,630 --> 02:21:30,160
benevolently

3424
02:21:34,790 --> 02:21:32,640
directed towards humanity

3425
02:21:35,990 --> 02:21:34,800
that responds to our entreaties to our

3426
02:21:37,190 --> 02:21:36,000
prayer

3427
02:21:39,590 --> 02:21:37,200
that um

3428
02:21:41,510 --> 02:21:39,600
guides us through our life and and

3429
02:21:45,429 --> 02:21:41,520
essentially asks us to maintain a kind

3430
02:21:47,750 --> 02:21:45,439
of a moral character throughout our life

3431
02:21:49,349 --> 02:21:47,760
um that has been here and was instigal

3432
02:21:51,190 --> 02:21:49,359
in our creation

3433
02:21:52,790 --> 02:21:51,200
is that vastly different from our

3434
02:21:55,429 --> 02:21:52,800
notions of a

3435
02:21:56,469 --> 02:21:55,439
superhuman alien intelligence

3436
02:22:01,110 --> 02:21:56,479
so

3437
02:22:03,349 --> 02:22:01,120
saying uap possibly may be demonic

3438
02:22:05,270 --> 02:22:03,359
no i'm not saying that that what i'm

3439
02:22:11,190 --> 02:22:05,280
saying is that there are people in the

3440
02:22:16,550 --> 02:22:13,830
i've heard this over and over and over

3441
02:22:18,870 --> 02:22:16,560
again for the last 10 years um it this

3442
02:22:19,990 --> 02:22:18,880
has been a repeated uh statement russ

3443
02:22:22,469 --> 02:22:20,000
before

3444
02:22:24,309 --> 02:22:22,479
can can i change the subject well not

3445
02:22:26,389 --> 02:22:24,319
really i'm not changing the subject

3446
02:22:28,630 --> 02:22:26,399
we're still talking ufos

3447
02:22:32,070 --> 02:22:28,640
but but while i've got you here you and

3448
02:22:35,510 --> 02:22:32,080
i have never discussed westall

3449
02:22:39,110 --> 02:22:35,520
uh either privately or or on the show

3450
02:22:40,950 --> 02:22:39,120
um but i have stated so many times over

3451
02:22:42,950 --> 02:22:40,960
the years um

3452
02:22:45,110 --> 02:22:42,960
and now that you're here i can i can

3453
02:22:47,030 --> 02:22:45,120
gloat a little bit i can pat myself on

3454
02:22:50,150 --> 02:22:47,040
the back but i've gone down the list

3455
02:22:53,590 --> 02:22:50,160
right there's this this the west all

3456
02:22:55,990 --> 02:22:53,600
right and and and it's it's just amazing

3457
02:22:57,190 --> 02:22:56,000
to me that one of the most documented

3458
02:22:59,990 --> 02:22:57,200
cases

3459
02:23:02,830 --> 02:23:00,000
uh with some of the most witnesses of

3460
02:23:05,030 --> 02:23:02,840
any ufo incident in the history of this

3461
02:23:08,230 --> 02:23:05,040
planet happened

3462
02:23:10,030 --> 02:23:08,240
in australia with school children

3463
02:23:13,670 --> 02:23:10,040
and i think it's an

3464
02:23:15,349 --> 02:23:13,680
extraordinary event um

3465
02:23:22,309 --> 02:23:15,359
is the

3466
02:23:24,630 --> 02:23:22,319
different than the ufo phenomena in

3467
02:23:26,790 --> 02:23:24,640
general how is it treated there not only

3468
02:23:29,110 --> 02:23:26,800
with the government but with the public

3469
02:23:31,030 --> 02:23:29,120
look it largely disappeared from public

3470
02:23:33,670 --> 02:23:31,040
knowledge for much of the last few

3471
02:23:34,710 --> 02:23:33,680
decades until a brilliant film was made

3472
02:23:36,230 --> 02:23:34,720
about it

3473
02:23:38,790 --> 02:23:36,240
funded with um

3474
02:23:40,550 --> 02:23:38,800
film finance funding from the

3475
02:23:41,910 --> 02:23:40,560
victorian government one of the states

3476
02:23:44,150 --> 02:23:41,920
in this country

3477
02:23:45,910 --> 02:23:44,160
and that film was a slightly quirky film

3478
02:23:48,550 --> 02:23:45,920
but what was powerful about it are you

3479
02:23:50,389 --> 02:23:48,560
talking about west 66

3480
02:23:51,750 --> 02:23:50,399
yeah amazing

3481
02:23:53,590 --> 02:23:51,760
it's a brilliant film you can actually

3482
02:23:56,150 --> 02:23:53,600
watch it on youtube i think it's a

3483
02:23:57,750 --> 02:23:56,160
brilliant movie i recommend it to anyone

3484
02:23:59,110 --> 02:23:57,760
but um

3485
02:24:00,950 --> 02:23:59,120
what really shocked me there's a good

3486
02:24:03,910 --> 02:24:00,960
mate of mine down in melbourne james

3487
02:24:06,070 --> 02:24:03,920
rigney who introduced me to a number of

3488
02:24:08,950 --> 02:24:06,080
these witnesses and we actually went

3489
02:24:11,590 --> 02:24:08,960
back to the football field where the

3490
02:24:13,429 --> 02:24:11,600
incident happened on the 6th of april

3491
02:24:16,790 --> 02:24:13,439
1966

3492
02:24:19,110 --> 02:24:16,800
and we did this on the 55th anniversary

3493
02:24:20,870 --> 02:24:19,120
last year of the sighting

3494
02:24:23,190 --> 02:24:20,880
and i was expecting maybe two or three

3495
02:24:25,590 --> 02:24:23,200
people to turn up but

3496
02:24:26,870 --> 02:24:25,600
heaven blessed them people came from all

3497
02:24:29,510 --> 02:24:26,880
over australia

3498
02:24:32,150 --> 02:24:29,520
because they were still so passionate

3499
02:24:34,710 --> 02:24:32,160
about this subject they were so driven

3500
02:24:36,550 --> 02:24:34,720
by conviction that what they saw was

3501
02:24:38,309 --> 02:24:36,560
something real it was something

3502
02:24:40,469 --> 02:24:38,319
anomalous and that it had never been

3503
02:24:42,309 --> 02:24:40,479
properly explained and they were so

3504
02:24:44,230 --> 02:24:42,319
excited that a member of the mainstream

3505
02:24:47,190 --> 02:24:44,240
media was going to be there with his

3506
02:24:49,270 --> 02:24:47,200
camera crew to take them seriously

3507
02:24:52,150 --> 02:24:49,280
and so we did take them seriously and i

3508
02:24:54,389 --> 02:24:52,160
was i was actually shocked by the detail

3509
02:24:56,630 --> 02:24:54,399
that these people remembered

3510
02:24:59,590 --> 02:24:56,640
all of them like hundreds of kids

3511
02:25:01,030 --> 02:24:59,600
there's a lovely fella called shane ryan

3512
02:25:03,429 --> 02:25:01,040
in canberra

3513
02:25:05,270 --> 02:25:03,439
who's got a facebook page devoted to the

3514
02:25:08,150 --> 02:25:05,280
west all story

3515
02:25:11,110 --> 02:25:08,160
and shane has personally tracked down

3516
02:25:13,030 --> 02:25:11,120
and interviewed i think over 200

3517
02:25:15,990 --> 02:25:13,040
witnesses to this incident

3518
02:25:17,750 --> 02:25:16,000
where at 10 30 a.m in the morning bunch

3519
02:25:19,750 --> 02:25:17,760
of little kitties about hundreds of

3520
02:25:22,550 --> 02:25:19,760
little kitties standing on a football

3521
02:25:26,070 --> 02:25:22,560
field they're all about 10 12 they look

3522
02:25:29,750 --> 02:25:26,080
up and they see three lenticular disc

3523
02:25:32,550 --> 02:25:29,760
shaped uaps hovering overhead clearly

3524
02:25:33,990 --> 02:25:32,560
solid clearly mechanical technology of

3525
02:25:36,630 --> 02:25:34,000
some kind

3526
02:25:39,190 --> 02:25:36,640
clearly responding to

3527
02:25:41,670 --> 02:25:39,200
aircraft that are coming towards them

3528
02:25:44,150 --> 02:25:41,680
and as the kids watch as an aircraft

3529
02:25:45,830 --> 02:25:44,160
slowly trundles around the sky and comes

3530
02:25:47,670 --> 02:25:45,840
towards one of the objects they

3531
02:25:49,590 --> 02:25:47,680
literally just go

3532
02:25:51,510 --> 02:25:49,600
and instantaneously move across the sky

3533
02:25:54,309 --> 02:25:51,520
to another point of the sky and they

3534
02:25:56,870 --> 02:25:54,319
watch amazed for minutes as this cat and

3535
02:25:58,309 --> 02:25:56,880
mass games happening in front of them

3536
02:25:59,830 --> 02:25:58,319
it's two or three hundred feet above

3537
02:26:01,510 --> 02:25:59,840
them in the air

3538
02:26:03,990 --> 02:26:01,520
and then as they watch one of these

3539
02:26:06,389 --> 02:26:04,000
objects descends into an area of

3540
02:26:07,590 --> 02:26:06,399
bushland an area of forest adjacent to

3541
02:26:09,510 --> 02:26:07,600
the school

3542
02:26:10,710 --> 02:26:09,520
and a number of the kids

3543
02:26:12,710 --> 02:26:10,720
run

3544
02:26:14,950 --> 02:26:12,720
and much to the teachers and annoyance

3545
02:26:16,550 --> 02:26:14,960
they jump the fence and there are

3546
02:26:18,309 --> 02:26:16,560
teachers there who see this happening as

3547
02:26:21,349 --> 02:26:18,319
well one of them is a science teacher

3548
02:26:23,349 --> 02:26:21,359
who i interviewed and he to this day

3549
02:26:26,550 --> 02:26:23,359
remembers this very very clearly he

3550
02:26:29,510 --> 02:26:26,560
remembers seeing a metallic lenticular

3551
02:26:31,030 --> 02:26:29,520
disc shaped object hovering above him

3552
02:26:33,750 --> 02:26:31,040
and then watching as one of them

3553
02:26:35,510 --> 02:26:33,760
descends in the forest adjacent

3554
02:26:37,670 --> 02:26:35,520
and one of the girls one of the little

3555
02:26:39,429 --> 02:26:37,680
girls who was 10 or 12 at the time is

3556
02:26:41,270 --> 02:26:39,439
now in her 60s

3557
02:26:43,270 --> 02:26:41,280
and two of them corroborate each other

3558
02:26:46,070 --> 02:26:43,280
they describe seeing

3559
02:26:50,150 --> 02:26:46,080
one of these objects close up so hot

3560
02:26:52,389 --> 02:26:50,160
they can feel the heat on their hands

3561
02:26:54,630 --> 02:26:52,399
and she she basically moves towards the

3562
02:26:56,630 --> 02:26:54,640
object and as it as she's moving towards

3563
02:27:00,790 --> 02:26:56,640
it it rises

3564
02:27:03,510 --> 02:27:00,800
tips onto a 45 degree angle and goes

3565
02:27:04,309 --> 02:27:03,520
instantaneous acceleration

3566
02:27:06,630 --> 02:27:04,319
this

3567
02:27:09,110 --> 02:27:06,640
was followed by

3568
02:27:11,510 --> 02:27:09,120
many witnesses saw this a massive

3569
02:27:14,710 --> 02:27:11,520
military operation involving victorian

3570
02:27:16,550 --> 02:27:14,720
police emergency services firemen

3571
02:27:18,950 --> 02:27:16,560
and defence personnel who came in

3572
02:27:21,270 --> 02:27:18,960
including perhaps american personnel in

3573
02:27:24,150 --> 02:27:21,280
the united states air force right

3574
02:27:26,710 --> 02:27:24,160
a massive cleanup of this site including

3575
02:27:28,790 --> 02:27:26,720
a level of soil a layer of soil where

3576
02:27:31,190 --> 02:27:28,800
there were indentations in the ground it

3577
02:27:32,950 --> 02:27:31,200
was literally dug up and taken away on

3578
02:27:35,110 --> 02:27:32,960
trucks

3579
02:27:37,110 --> 02:27:35,120
but but jimmy officially this never

3580
02:27:40,230 --> 02:27:37,120
happened great there is there is no

3581
02:27:42,790 --> 02:27:40,240
record anywhere in any government file

3582
02:27:44,630 --> 02:27:42,800
of anything relating to the story the

3583
02:27:46,550 --> 02:27:44,640
only reason we know it happened and we

3584
02:27:47,990 --> 02:27:46,560
know that the media attended

3585
02:27:49,830 --> 02:27:48,000
is because

3586
02:27:51,030 --> 02:27:49,840
we've spoken to the witnesses who spoke

3587
02:27:53,429 --> 02:27:51,040
to the media

3588
02:27:55,110 --> 02:27:53,439
and i i was working for the tv network

3589
02:27:56,870 --> 02:27:55,120
for a while that allegedly sent a film

3590
02:27:59,270 --> 02:27:56,880
crew out there and we were able to

3591
02:28:01,510 --> 02:27:59,280
confirm that a story was done but the

3592
02:28:04,150 --> 02:28:01,520
stories disappeared from the archives

3593
02:28:07,349 --> 02:28:04,160
it's like somebody went through and

3594
02:28:09,429 --> 02:28:07,359
removed all memory of this incident

3595
02:28:11,590 --> 02:28:09,439
there was one newspaper that covered the

3596
02:28:12,870 --> 02:28:11,600
issue but eventually it was all quietly

3597
02:28:15,990 --> 02:28:12,880
played down

3598
02:28:17,990 --> 02:28:16,000
there was never any official explanation

3599
02:28:20,309 --> 02:28:18,000
for what happened the government has

3600
02:28:23,910 --> 02:28:20,319
never ventured an explanation and

3601
02:28:25,990 --> 02:28:23,920
officially supposedly no report exists

3602
02:28:28,150 --> 02:28:26,000
of what took place but i've now

3603
02:28:31,510 --> 02:28:28,160
confirmed i've actually spoken to a guy

3604
02:28:33,030 --> 02:28:31,520
whose father prepared a secret report

3605
02:28:35,030 --> 02:28:33,040
for a government department that

3606
02:28:37,190 --> 02:28:35,040
investigated this issue

3607
02:28:39,990 --> 02:28:37,200
and and he tells me he's prepared to

3608
02:28:42,230 --> 02:28:40,000
testify to the national archives of

3609
02:28:45,110 --> 02:28:42,240
australia to try and force this report

3610
02:28:47,190 --> 02:28:45,120
to be disclosed and i also tracked down

3611
02:28:48,469 --> 02:28:47,200
and my friend james fox the filmmaker

3612
02:28:50,389 --> 02:28:48,479
spoke to him before me i should

3613
02:28:52,790 --> 02:28:50,399
acknowledge that but he went on the

3614
02:28:53,510 --> 02:28:52,800
record with me and identified themselves

3615
02:28:55,030 --> 02:28:53,520
the

3616
02:28:57,910 --> 02:28:55,040
science master

3617
02:29:00,790 --> 02:28:57,920
he actually said he was challenged on

3618
02:29:03,590 --> 02:29:00,800
his doorstep at his home two weeks after

3619
02:29:05,910 --> 02:29:03,600
the incident and told to shut up about

3620
02:29:08,950 --> 02:29:05,920
what he saw and that if he spoke about

3621
02:29:10,150 --> 02:29:08,960
what he saw he would lose his job as a

3622
02:29:15,270 --> 02:29:10,160
teacher

3623
02:29:17,670 --> 02:29:15,280
and 55 56 years on he still burns with

3624
02:29:20,950 --> 02:29:17,680
anger at the fact that there was very

3625
02:29:23,270 --> 02:29:20,960
clearly a cover-up that took place by

3626
02:29:26,230 --> 02:29:23,280
government officers to stop the public

3627
02:29:27,230 --> 02:29:26,240
from knowing what happened at westall in

3628
02:29:28,870 --> 02:29:27,240
april

3629
02:29:31,110 --> 02:29:28,880
1966

3630
02:29:33,190 --> 02:29:31,120
and years later we're still trying to

3631
02:29:34,790 --> 02:29:33,200
find out what happened but isn't it

3632
02:29:36,790 --> 02:29:34,800
interesting that so many of these

3633
02:29:41,590 --> 02:29:36,800
sightings have happened at school yes

3634
02:29:44,070 --> 02:29:41,600
yes yes yes yes that's a big deal

3635
02:29:45,990 --> 02:29:44,080
beyond coincidence

3636
02:29:47,110 --> 02:29:46,000
i wanted to ask you this did you talk to

3637
02:29:49,429 --> 02:29:47,120
the witness

3638
02:29:51,750 --> 02:29:49,439
uh there was a second landing

3639
02:29:53,990 --> 02:29:51,760
that happened uh

3640
02:29:57,110 --> 02:29:54,000
near near some shops

3641
02:29:59,510 --> 02:29:57,120
um on a street uh right after

3642
02:30:01,270 --> 02:29:59,520
uh the incident happened in in the

3643
02:30:03,429 --> 02:30:01,280
football field so it wasn't just one

3644
02:30:05,830 --> 02:30:03,439
landing it was two

3645
02:30:07,190 --> 02:30:05,840
i i haven't spoken to that witness i

3646
02:30:09,349 --> 02:30:07,200
think i know of the case that you're

3647
02:30:12,630 --> 02:30:09,359
talking about um there was also a

3648
02:30:14,870 --> 02:30:12,640
photograph taken a few days prior by

3649
02:30:15,910 --> 02:30:14,880
another gentleman in an adjoining suburb

3650
02:30:18,150 --> 02:30:15,920
of melbourne

3651
02:30:19,590 --> 02:30:18,160
and the provenance of that photograph

3652
02:30:23,309 --> 02:30:19,600
has obviously been challenged by the

3653
02:30:25,830 --> 02:30:23,319
debunkers but it shows a very clear

3654
02:30:28,230 --> 02:30:25,840
disclainticular object hovering over a

3655
02:30:30,230 --> 02:30:28,240
house and people who saw the object at

3656
02:30:32,550 --> 02:30:30,240
westall have described that object as

3657
02:30:34,150 --> 02:30:32,560
being very similar or identical to what

3658
02:30:36,710 --> 02:30:34,160
they saw at westall

3659
02:30:39,349 --> 02:30:36,720
do you think it's it's it's

3660
02:30:41,190 --> 02:30:39,359
is it possible i i think this is one of

3661
02:30:43,349 --> 02:30:41,200
the most documented fascinating cases

3662
02:30:45,670 --> 02:30:43,359
out there i really do

3663
02:30:46,630 --> 02:30:45,680
is it possible to

3664
02:30:48,870 --> 02:30:46,640
to

3665
02:30:51,940 --> 02:30:48,880
have all of the law enforcement and the

3666
02:30:53,750 --> 02:30:51,950
media and the television station

3667
02:30:55,349 --> 02:30:53,760
[Music]

3668
02:30:56,710 --> 02:30:55,359
in complete

3669
02:30:58,389 --> 02:30:56,720
coordination

3670
02:30:59,190 --> 02:30:58,399
in lockstep

3671
02:31:04,150 --> 02:30:59,200
in

3672
02:31:07,110 --> 02:31:04,160
a paper trail is is like roswell an

3673
02:31:08,309 --> 02:31:07,120
example of that yes this can be done

3674
02:31:09,830 --> 02:31:08,319
yeah i think it is

3675
02:31:11,590 --> 02:31:09,840
i think if you look back in your history

3676
02:31:14,150 --> 02:31:11,600
the manhattan project you know the

3677
02:31:15,830 --> 02:31:14,160
building of the atomic bomb was one of

3678
02:31:17,510 --> 02:31:15,840
the biggest secrets in your nation's

3679
02:31:19,750 --> 02:31:17,520
history right and it was kept it was

3680
02:31:22,389 --> 02:31:19,760
largely kept secret for the duration of

3681
02:31:25,270 --> 02:31:22,399
the project until the bomb was exploded

3682
02:31:27,349 --> 02:31:25,280
over nagasaki and hiroshima in

3683
02:31:29,429 --> 02:31:27,359
august of 1945

3684
02:31:31,190 --> 02:31:29,439
and they were working on that bomb after

3685
02:31:32,710 --> 02:31:31,200
einstein approached the president very

3686
02:31:34,550 --> 02:31:32,720
early in the war and said that it was

3687
02:31:35,910 --> 02:31:34,560
capable it was possible to build a

3688
02:31:38,550 --> 02:31:35,920
weapon like that

3689
02:31:40,790 --> 02:31:38,560
they had tens of thousands of people

3690
02:31:43,110 --> 02:31:40,800
working on the manhattan project and

3691
02:31:45,030 --> 02:31:43,120
there was a phenomenal effort made to

3692
02:31:47,270 --> 02:31:45,040
keep it confidential and they succeeded

3693
02:31:49,030 --> 02:31:47,280
they largely succeeded until of course

3694
02:31:51,510 --> 02:31:49,040
the secret of the bomb was compromised

3695
02:31:53,510 --> 02:31:51,520
well after the war by the um the soviets

3696
02:31:54,550 --> 02:31:53,520
having spies inside the nuclear weapons

3697
02:31:57,110 --> 02:31:54,560
program

3698
02:31:59,429 --> 02:31:57,120
but i believe yes there are secrets that

3699
02:32:02,070 --> 02:31:59,439
have been kept inside the united states

3700
02:32:03,910 --> 02:32:02,080
um for many years successfully with the

3701
02:32:06,710 --> 02:32:03,920
collaboration of law enforcement and

3702
02:32:09,429 --> 02:32:06,720
other agencies it can happen it does

3703
02:32:11,190 --> 02:32:09,439
happen i mean look for example at the

3704
02:32:13,830 --> 02:32:11,200
incredible secret of warrantless

3705
02:32:16,469 --> 02:32:13,840
wiretapping that that americans were

3706
02:32:19,590 --> 02:32:16,479
illegally being tapped by your national

3707
02:32:21,190 --> 02:32:19,600
security agency until it was exposed by

3708
02:32:22,950 --> 02:32:21,200
courageous journalism and finally

3709
02:32:24,469 --> 02:32:22,960
brought it to the public light

3710
02:32:26,230 --> 02:32:24,479
there were people who knew about it but

3711
02:32:30,309 --> 02:32:26,240
it hadn't been revealed

3712
02:32:32,870 --> 02:32:30,319
our government would never do that ross

3713
02:32:34,630 --> 02:32:32,880
no of course not never now what do you

3714
02:32:39,030 --> 02:32:34,640
see what a great conversation tonight

3715
02:32:41,830 --> 02:32:39,040
and thank you uh uh for for

3716
02:32:45,190 --> 02:32:41,840
just the perfect night uh this is uh

3717
02:32:46,550 --> 02:32:45,200
radio gold tonight um what do you see

3718
02:32:48,710 --> 02:32:46,560
now

3719
02:32:50,070 --> 02:32:48,720
what's the chitchat

3720
02:32:52,710 --> 02:32:50,080
um

3721
02:32:54,550 --> 02:32:52,720
what do you see for hearings in the

3722
02:32:56,150 --> 02:32:54,560
immediate future what have you heard

3723
02:32:57,910 --> 02:32:56,160
what is next

3724
02:33:00,150 --> 02:32:57,920
i'm optimistic that there definitely

3725
02:33:02,630 --> 02:33:00,160
will be hearings possibly as early as

3726
02:33:04,389 --> 02:33:02,640
within the next two three weeks

3727
02:33:07,270 --> 02:33:04,399
but

3728
02:33:09,190 --> 02:33:07,280
if we don't get the right congressmen

3729
02:33:11,030 --> 02:33:09,200
congress representatives

3730
02:33:12,550 --> 02:33:11,040
the right senators asking the right

3731
02:33:14,230 --> 02:33:12,560
questions and if we don't get the right

3732
02:33:15,990 --> 02:33:14,240
witnesses

3733
02:33:19,190 --> 02:33:16,000
believe me you and i are going to be

3734
02:33:21,030 --> 02:33:19,200
very old men in another 54 years

3735
02:33:23,110 --> 02:33:21,040
asking when the hell is the truth going

3736
02:33:25,429 --> 02:33:23,120
to be told about uaps

3737
02:33:28,389 --> 02:33:25,439
because we only get one go at this

3738
02:33:29,910 --> 02:33:28,399
and congress in its wisdom has decided

3739
02:33:32,150 --> 02:33:29,920
to do it now

3740
02:33:34,790 --> 02:33:32,160
but by golly people need to rattle the

3741
02:33:36,309 --> 02:33:34,800
cage they genuinely need to let their

3742
02:33:39,590 --> 02:33:36,319
representatives know

3743
02:33:40,950 --> 02:33:39,600
this matters it really matters write a

3744
02:33:42,150 --> 02:33:40,960
letter to your congressman your

3745
02:33:44,309 --> 02:33:42,160
congresswoman

3746
02:33:46,950 --> 02:33:44,319
write a letter to your senator let them

3747
02:33:50,630 --> 02:33:46,960
know this is something that matters to

3748
02:33:52,790 --> 02:33:50,640
you you want the truth it really does

3749
02:33:54,870 --> 02:33:52,800
matter because the wheel that squeaks in

3750
02:33:56,950 --> 02:33:54,880
politics gets to greece

3751
02:33:58,950 --> 02:33:56,960
every time uh who would you like to see

3752
02:34:00,950 --> 02:33:58,960
as witnesses

3753
02:34:03,030 --> 02:34:00,960
i'd like to see every single member of

3754
02:34:05,349 --> 02:34:03,040
the senior review group of the

3755
02:34:07,590 --> 02:34:05,359
department of defense in the past 20

3756
02:34:09,510 --> 02:34:07,600
years and i'd like to see every single

3757
02:34:10,790 --> 02:34:09,520
member of the special access program

3758
02:34:12,550 --> 02:34:10,800
committee

3759
02:34:15,429 --> 02:34:12,560
the special access program oversight

3760
02:34:16,389 --> 02:34:15,439
committee put under oath and asked

3761
02:34:18,230 --> 02:34:16,399
formally

3762
02:34:20,710 --> 02:34:18,240
are they willing to testify that they

3763
02:34:22,309 --> 02:34:20,720
are unaware of any retrieved technology

3764
02:34:23,670 --> 02:34:22,319
that is not human

3765
02:34:25,429 --> 02:34:23,680
i think that will be the definitive

3766
02:34:26,210 --> 02:34:25,439
moment in american history you don't

3767
02:34:28,790 --> 02:34:26,220
want much

3768
02:34:32,150 --> 02:34:28,800
[Laughter]

3769
02:34:33,030 --> 02:34:32,160
what about i i i think there's two guys

3770
02:34:38,469 --> 02:34:33,040
that

3771
02:34:39,910 --> 02:34:38,479
there's the list is long but at the top

3772
02:34:43,110 --> 02:34:39,920
of my list

3773
02:34:46,630 --> 02:34:43,120
uh rear admiral daly and rear admiral

3774
02:34:49,590 --> 02:34:46,640
curtis the two commanders of the nimitz

3775
02:34:52,469 --> 02:34:49,600
battle group back in 2004.

3776
02:34:54,950 --> 02:34:52,479
yeah it's interesting um uh on the other

3777
02:34:57,990 --> 02:34:54,960
side of the uh of the american continent

3778
02:34:59,510 --> 02:34:58,000
when ryan graves reported what he saw i

3779
02:35:01,349 --> 02:34:59,520
think he was on the uss theodore

3780
02:35:03,270 --> 02:35:01,359
roosevelt or no he was off actually he

3781
02:35:05,110 --> 02:35:03,280
was off the coast but pilots who were on

3782
02:35:07,590 --> 02:35:05,120
the roosevelt

3783
02:35:09,750 --> 02:35:07,600
they described their admiral when he

3784
02:35:12,150 --> 02:35:09,760
came in and looked at the vision

3785
02:35:13,270 --> 02:35:12,160
looking very nonplussed and unsurprised

3786
02:35:15,030 --> 02:35:13,280
and the same thing happened to the

3787
02:35:16,950 --> 02:35:15,040
pilots on the nimitz

3788
02:35:19,750 --> 02:35:16,960
that when the the senior commander the

3789
02:35:21,670 --> 02:35:19,760
senior battle fleet cruiser admiral

3790
02:35:23,750 --> 02:35:21,680
basically looked at what was being shown

3791
02:35:25,990 --> 02:35:23,760
on their internal comms

3792
02:35:27,830 --> 02:35:26,000
there was no surprise so there is still

3793
02:35:29,750 --> 02:35:27,840
a question mark in my mind jimmy that

3794
02:35:31,349 --> 02:35:29,760
there is some agency of the united

3795
02:35:33,270 --> 02:35:31,359
states that has been doing stuff in the

3796
02:35:35,990 --> 02:35:33,280
black that we don't know about

3797
02:35:37,830 --> 02:35:36,000
but i don't think that explains all of

3798
02:35:42,469 --> 02:35:37,840
the phenomenon that humanity's been

3799
02:35:43,830 --> 02:35:42,479
seeing for the past 75 80 to 1000 years

3800
02:35:45,830 --> 02:35:43,840
i think there's clearly been something

3801
02:35:48,309 --> 02:35:45,840
around for a long time

3802
02:35:50,630 --> 02:35:48,319
but our sensor systems our technology is

3803
02:35:52,870 --> 02:35:50,640
now detecting it and it's becoming

3804
02:35:54,710 --> 02:35:52,880
irrefutable the the american government

3805
02:35:57,349 --> 02:35:54,720
can no longer deny it because the

3806
02:35:59,590 --> 02:35:57,359
technology is there too many people have

3807
02:36:01,590 --> 02:35:59,600
seen it then they now have to make a

3808
02:36:02,710 --> 02:36:01,600
statement they have to express a

3809
02:36:04,230 --> 02:36:02,720
position

3810
02:36:06,870 --> 02:36:04,240
the only question is

3811
02:36:09,670 --> 02:36:06,880
how honest are they going to be yeah

3812
02:36:11,590 --> 02:36:09,680
yeah ross uh one last question man i'm

3813
02:36:13,270 --> 02:36:11,600
gonna one last question you to death

3814
02:36:17,830 --> 02:36:13,280
until tomorrow morning

3815
02:36:19,830 --> 02:36:17,840
but if you were going to give advice

3816
02:36:22,309 --> 02:36:19,840
uh to both the senate intelligence

3817
02:36:24,870 --> 02:36:22,319
committee and the the committee on

3818
02:36:25,990 --> 02:36:24,880
terrorism and intelligence uh in in

3819
02:36:28,630 --> 02:36:26,000
congress

3820
02:36:32,150 --> 02:36:28,640
on how to navigate this

3821
02:36:34,830 --> 02:36:32,160
uh because of the complex issues of

3822
02:36:38,389 --> 02:36:34,840
of um

3823
02:36:40,469 --> 02:36:38,399
lawsuits of you know of of some serious

3824
02:36:43,110 --> 02:36:40,479
issues that could be put on the table

3825
02:36:44,630 --> 02:36:43,120
whether it's energy and free energy and

3826
02:36:47,110 --> 02:36:44,640
technology and things that could have

3827
02:36:48,950 --> 02:36:47,120
been shared with mankind all the way to

3828
02:36:52,309 --> 02:36:48,960
direct lies and people that have been

3829
02:36:53,990 --> 02:36:52,319
injured um and it's a complex deep

3830
02:36:57,030 --> 02:36:54,000
multi-layered onion

3831
02:36:58,550 --> 02:36:57,040
so if you were going to advise them on

3832
02:37:01,349 --> 02:36:58,560
how to

3833
02:37:05,590 --> 02:37:01,359
disclose without

3834
02:37:08,950 --> 02:37:05,600
the the fear of the of of of

3835
02:37:11,429 --> 02:37:08,960
anger right i mean just public outrage

3836
02:37:13,910 --> 02:37:11,439
on this what would you tell them

3837
02:37:16,150 --> 02:37:13,920
it's funny i've got a doctor friend who

3838
02:37:18,790 --> 02:37:16,160
i was doing a story with once about

3839
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:18,800
doctors making mistakes medical mistakes

3840
02:37:22,630 --> 02:37:21,120
and he was a beautiful sri lankan doctor

3841
02:37:24,710 --> 02:37:22,640
living in brisbane in queensland in

3842
02:37:27,429 --> 02:37:24,720
australia and he said to me you know

3843
02:37:29,429 --> 02:37:27,439
ross i have never been sued and he said

3844
02:37:32,309 --> 02:37:29,439
a lot of doctors do get sued

3845
02:37:35,190 --> 02:37:32,319
but he said when i make a mistake and

3846
02:37:37,670 --> 02:37:35,200
doctors believe me we do make mistakes

3847
02:37:40,550 --> 02:37:37,680
i always sit my patient down and i say

3848
02:37:42,150 --> 02:37:40,560
honestly what happened and i tell them

3849
02:37:44,309 --> 02:37:42,160
and if they want to sue me they can but

3850
02:37:47,910 --> 02:37:44,319
you know nobody ever has

3851
02:37:49,590 --> 02:37:47,920
and he says i think people want truth

3852
02:37:51,510 --> 02:37:49,600
and i think this is why i've been

3853
02:37:53,510 --> 02:37:51,520
arguing i i should like to take the

3854
02:37:55,190 --> 02:37:53,520
credit for the idea of an immunity or a

3855
02:37:56,550 --> 02:37:55,200
truth and reconciliation commission

3856
02:37:57,990 --> 02:37:56,560
because i'm pretty sure i was the first

3857
02:37:59,830 --> 02:37:58,000
one to suggest it

3858
02:38:01,830 --> 02:37:59,840
but i actually think we shouldn't be

3859
02:38:04,550 --> 02:38:01,840
vilifying these people i think that the

3860
02:38:07,910 --> 02:38:04,560
reasons why this has been kept secret

3861
02:38:09,590 --> 02:38:07,920
were in the era laudable they thought

3862
02:38:12,070 --> 02:38:09,600
they were doing the right thing the

3863
02:38:14,630 --> 02:38:12,080
trouble is the the reasons no longer

3864
02:38:16,870 --> 02:38:14,640
exist the reasons for cold war secrecy

3865
02:38:19,030 --> 02:38:16,880
can no longer be justified

3866
02:38:22,230 --> 02:38:19,040
but i don't think we should vilify

3867
02:38:23,830 --> 02:38:22,240
people unless they continue to lie

3868
02:38:27,510 --> 02:38:23,840
i think they should be given an

3869
02:38:29,190 --> 02:38:27,520
opportunity to just tell the truth

3870
02:38:30,950 --> 02:38:29,200
and if they want to put the best

3871
02:38:32,710 --> 02:38:30,960
possible spin on that and explain their

3872
02:38:35,190 --> 02:38:32,720
motives for why they've lied to the

3873
02:38:37,429 --> 02:38:35,200
american public and they have

3874
02:38:39,110 --> 02:38:37,439
then good luck to them but they should

3875
02:38:40,150 --> 02:38:39,120
be given the opportunity to tell the

3876
02:38:43,429 --> 02:38:40,160
truth

3877
02:38:45,910 --> 02:38:43,439
but by golly jimmy if anybody lies to

3878
02:38:48,790 --> 02:38:45,920
the congress if anybody continues to

3879
02:38:50,710 --> 02:38:48,800
deceive and manipulate and dissemble

3880
02:38:52,550 --> 02:38:50,720
and obfuscate

3881
02:38:55,110 --> 02:38:52,560
i reckon they should be tied to the back

3882
02:38:57,910 --> 02:38:55,120
of a humvee and publicly tarred and

3883
02:38:59,990 --> 02:38:57,920
feathered and vilified this is their one

3884
02:39:02,389 --> 02:39:00,000
chance

3885
02:39:04,790 --> 02:39:02,399
because frankly this is a truth that has

3886
02:39:06,150 --> 02:39:04,800
been withheld from the american public

3887
02:39:07,830 --> 02:39:06,160
and the world

3888
02:39:10,389 --> 02:39:07,840
for decades

3889
02:39:11,429 --> 02:39:10,399
and i'm talking to people who've told me

3890
02:39:13,830 --> 02:39:11,439
what

3891
02:39:14,630 --> 02:39:13,840
they think the public needs to know

3892
02:39:16,389 --> 02:39:14,640
and

3893
02:39:19,030 --> 02:39:16,399
it's interesting because

3894
02:39:21,110 --> 02:39:19,040
it's not necessarily what we think

3895
02:39:22,870 --> 02:39:21,120
and frankly they don't think there's any

3896
02:39:24,469 --> 02:39:22,880
good reason for continuing to keep it

3897
02:39:27,510 --> 02:39:24,479
confidential

3898
02:39:29,349 --> 02:39:27,520
and yes there's existencies like

3899
02:39:31,510 --> 02:39:29,359
ukraine there's the fact that we've got

3900
02:39:32,950 --> 02:39:31,520
a nutter like putin on the on the other

3901
02:39:35,910 --> 02:39:32,960
side of the planet who's threatening

3902
02:39:37,590 --> 02:39:35,920
nuclear weapons we've got china

3903
02:39:40,070 --> 02:39:37,600
doing all manner of things to try and

3904
02:39:41,830 --> 02:39:40,080
undermine undermine american hegemony in

3905
02:39:43,750 --> 02:39:41,840
the pacific

3906
02:39:45,030 --> 02:39:43,760
and my country's nervous about that but

3907
02:39:48,309 --> 02:39:45,040
that shouldn't

3908
02:39:50,309 --> 02:39:48,319
stop the truth from being told

3909
02:39:52,950 --> 02:39:50,319
and it's interesting just this week i i

3910
02:39:55,110 --> 02:39:52,960
had an official from our government on a

3911
02:39:56,630 --> 02:39:55,120
semi-official basis just gently reach

3912
02:39:59,670 --> 02:39:56,640
out to me and say

3913
02:40:01,750 --> 02:39:59,680
any chance of a quiet chat sometime

3914
02:40:02,790 --> 02:40:01,760
there's a beginning of an awareness that

3915
02:40:04,710 --> 02:40:02,800
there's going to have to be an

3916
02:40:06,550 --> 02:40:04,720
accounting for this

3917
02:40:09,750 --> 02:40:06,560
that they can no longer

3918
02:40:12,070 --> 02:40:09,760
just glibly ignore the public and the

3919
02:40:13,429 --> 02:40:12,080
reason why is because of everybody out

3920
02:40:16,230 --> 02:40:13,439
there and because of people like you

3921
02:40:18,230 --> 02:40:16,240
jimmy you've been asking questions

3922
02:40:20,710 --> 02:40:18,240
and all we've got to do all the right

3923
02:40:22,710 --> 02:40:20,720
all the people have got a right to do is

3924
02:40:24,150 --> 02:40:22,720
to ask questions and that's what our

3925
02:40:25,590 --> 02:40:24,160
representatives in the congress are

3926
02:40:27,670 --> 02:40:25,600
there for as well

3927
02:40:30,630 --> 02:40:27,680
they're going to ask questions

3928
02:40:33,110 --> 02:40:30,640
and by golly whatever it takes they're

3929
02:40:35,429 --> 02:40:33,120
going to get an answer

3930
02:40:38,389 --> 02:40:35,439
thank you so much ross um

3931
02:40:40,630 --> 02:40:38,399
uh really quick uh you and bryce uh with

3932
02:40:42,550 --> 02:40:40,640
need to know uh when do you guys release

3933
02:40:45,190 --> 02:40:42,560
the podcast

3934
02:40:47,269 --> 02:40:45,200
um we generally do it on thursdays and

3935
02:40:50,870 --> 02:40:47,279
release it around about friday saturday

3936
02:40:53,670 --> 02:40:50,880
your time um we're recording tomorrow uh

3937
02:40:56,230 --> 02:40:53,680
and what we're doing is an analysis of

3938
02:40:57,670 --> 02:40:56,240
what we think of the uap hearings and

3939
02:41:00,630 --> 02:40:57,680
what's to come

3940
02:41:02,309 --> 02:41:00,640
and uh yeah if anybody wants to watch or

3941
02:41:07,110 --> 02:41:02,319
listen to it you can find out all about

3942
02:41:09,190 --> 02:41:07,120
it at www dot need to know dot today

3943
02:41:11,990 --> 02:41:09,200
and if you want to read my book in plain

3944
02:41:14,309 --> 02:41:12,000
sight it's all in all good book shops

3945
02:41:16,070 --> 02:41:14,319
and i'm delighted to

3946
02:41:19,190 --> 02:41:16,080
delighted to know it's also available on

3947
02:41:22,389 --> 02:41:19,200
audible and all good downloads we've uh

3948
02:41:24,230 --> 02:41:22,399
got the links uh to your book in social

3949
02:41:26,550 --> 02:41:24,240
media and also

3950
02:41:29,590 --> 02:41:26,560
in the description box below ross

3951
02:41:32,070 --> 02:41:29,600
colthardt thank you so much my man and a

3952
02:41:34,309 --> 02:41:32,080
great conversation keep rolling that

3953
02:41:35,910 --> 02:41:34,319
rock uphill seriously thank you so much

3954
02:41:38,070 --> 02:41:35,920
thanks jimmy all the best to you man

3955
02:41:40,309 --> 02:41:38,080
cheers bye-bye the absolute very best

3956
02:41:43,030 --> 02:41:40,319
ross colthardt and again the links for

3957
02:41:45,110 --> 02:41:43,040
ross's book uh are right here below

3958
02:41:47,910 --> 02:41:45,120
they're over on our website and we have

3959
02:41:49,910 --> 02:41:47,920
them throughout a social media and with

3960
02:41:53,190 --> 02:41:49,920
that i'm going to take a quick break and

3961
02:41:55,429 --> 02:41:53,200
i'll swing back after this

3962
02:41:58,870 --> 02:41:55,439
and i'll take some of your phone calls

3963
02:42:00,790 --> 02:41:58,880
that's right 747-228205

3964
02:42:03,349 --> 02:42:00,800
this is fade to black what a great

3965
02:42:06,070 --> 02:42:03,359
conversation tonight that was perfect

3966
02:42:08,469 --> 02:42:06,080
did ross just say this might be his last

3967
02:42:09,990 --> 02:42:08,479
one for a while

3968
02:42:11,990 --> 02:42:10,000
wow

3969
02:42:13,510 --> 02:42:12,000
that's an honor i'm your host jimmy

3970
02:42:14,950 --> 02:42:13,520
church this is fade to black i'll be

3971
02:42:17,920 --> 02:42:14,960
right back with your phone call stay

3972
02:42:26,780 --> 02:42:17,930
with me

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02:42:28,060 --> 02:42:26,790
[Music]

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you're listening to jimmy church and

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fade to black

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02:42:49,030 --> 02:42:46,550
hey what up y'all should go biblical fox

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but listening to jimmy church will

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thank you ross colthard that was a a

4078
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perfect perfect perfect conversation and

4079
02:47:48,950 --> 02:47:47,200
a great way to start off the week here

4080
02:47:54,230 --> 02:47:48,960
on on fade to black

4081
02:47:59,190 --> 02:47:54,240
um i i had said uh 747-228-2051

4082
02:48:00,950 --> 02:47:59,200
and if you are on hold stay right there

4083
02:48:02,710 --> 02:48:00,960
and uh i'll get to phone calls here in a

4084
02:48:05,590 --> 02:48:02,720
second um

4085
02:48:10,710 --> 02:48:05,600
i had said the day of the hearing

4086
02:48:12,790 --> 02:48:10,720
and i am not some armchair dude i got up

4087
02:48:14,630 --> 02:48:12,800
at 5 30 in the morning

4088
02:48:17,190 --> 02:48:14,640
uh to

4089
02:48:19,590 --> 02:48:17,200
watch that hearing live and i took

4090
02:48:21,110 --> 02:48:19,600
copious notes and i paid attention to

4091
02:48:22,070 --> 02:48:21,120
every single word

4092
02:48:25,429 --> 02:48:22,080
um

4093
02:48:26,389 --> 02:48:25,439
and i had said after the hearing

4094
02:48:31,750 --> 02:48:26,399
and

4095
02:48:33,510 --> 02:48:31,760
that

4096
02:48:36,309 --> 02:48:33,520
the hearing itself

4097
02:48:40,309 --> 02:48:36,319
happened that was 90 minutes

4098
02:48:42,950 --> 02:48:40,319
the analysis of this hearing and its

4099
02:48:45,510 --> 02:48:42,960
implications and its importance are not

4100
02:48:47,750 --> 02:48:45,520
going to be known uh until the days and

4101
02:48:52,630 --> 02:48:47,760
weeks ahead as we turn around and look

4102
02:48:54,070 --> 02:48:52,640
back at this and the more that i do that

4103
02:49:00,469 --> 02:48:54,080
the

4104
02:49:02,550 --> 02:49:00,479
of what that hearing represented is just

4105
02:49:04,790 --> 02:49:02,560
now starting to soak in

4106
02:49:08,150 --> 02:49:04,800
it's like a big deal

4107
02:49:10,630 --> 02:49:08,160
i i'm i can only imagine

4108
02:49:12,870 --> 02:49:10,640
you know 5 10 20 years from now how that

4109
02:49:15,510 --> 02:49:12,880
hearing is going to be talked about in a

4110
02:49:16,790 --> 02:49:15,520
historical context i i think it's that

4111
02:49:17,990 --> 02:49:16,800
big of a deal

4112
02:49:21,349 --> 02:49:18,000
and

4113
02:49:23,590 --> 02:49:21,359
getting ross's input on it uh today

4114
02:49:26,950 --> 02:49:23,600
uh very important he's such a great

4115
02:49:31,590 --> 02:49:26,960
journalist and an investigative reporter

4116
02:49:34,550 --> 02:49:31,600
um and with with serious contacts

4117
02:49:37,429 --> 02:49:34,560
um and and i think that

4118
02:49:40,630 --> 02:49:37,439
um he understands the importance of it

4119
02:49:42,150 --> 02:49:40,640
but the other side which is brought out

4120
02:49:44,550 --> 02:49:42,160
uh today

4121
02:49:46,309 --> 02:49:44,560
if i'm going to go back and catch one

4122
02:49:48,469 --> 02:49:46,319
thing that ross said

4123
02:49:50,710 --> 02:49:48,479
um is that this is just the first of

4124
02:49:52,469 --> 02:49:50,720
many hearings we cannot be happy we

4125
02:49:55,110 --> 02:49:52,479
cannot be complacent as great as the

4126
02:49:57,510 --> 02:49:55,120
hearing was and as important as it was

4127
02:50:00,790 --> 02:49:57,520
we cannot be happy

4128
02:50:02,150 --> 02:50:00,800
we've got to ask for more we've got to

4129
02:50:03,830 --> 02:50:02,160
continue

4130
02:50:05,429 --> 02:50:03,840
we can't let washington or the

4131
02:50:07,269 --> 02:50:05,439
department of defense think that it's

4132
02:50:08,790 --> 02:50:07,279
over now they got the hearing out of the

4133
02:50:10,309 --> 02:50:08,800
way they don't have to do this again no

4134
02:50:12,230 --> 02:50:10,319
that's not the case

4135
02:50:13,750 --> 02:50:12,240
that being said

4136
02:50:15,429 --> 02:50:13,760
ross

4137
02:50:17,349 --> 02:50:15,439
said that he

4138
02:50:19,910 --> 02:50:17,359
uh expects

4139
02:50:21,830 --> 02:50:19,920
uh you know the chit chat the chatter

4140
02:50:23,190 --> 02:50:21,840
out there is that there is going to be

4141
02:50:25,750 --> 02:50:23,200
another hearing

4142
02:50:26,870 --> 02:50:25,760
in the next two to three weeks

4143
02:50:28,230 --> 02:50:26,880
i'll let you know that i've heard the

4144
02:50:29,269 --> 02:50:28,240
same thing

4145
02:50:31,990 --> 02:50:29,279
so

4146
02:50:34,309 --> 02:50:32,000
uh and i've kind of alluded to that

4147
02:50:36,230 --> 02:50:34,319
and wouldn't it be amazing if it does

4148
02:50:37,190 --> 02:50:36,240
happen that quickly and i think that it

4149
02:50:39,429 --> 02:50:37,200
is

4150
02:50:41,750 --> 02:50:39,439
um i hope that the things that i've

4151
02:50:43,910 --> 02:50:41,760
heard and the things that ross

4152
02:50:45,429 --> 02:50:43,920
um has been able to extrapolate out

4153
02:50:47,990 --> 02:50:45,439
there from

4154
02:50:49,830 --> 02:50:48,000
uh the the conversation out there that's

4155
02:50:51,349 --> 02:50:49,840
going on that there is going to be

4156
02:50:52,389 --> 02:50:51,359
another hearing in the next two to three

4157
02:50:55,349 --> 02:50:52,399
weeks

4158
02:50:56,630 --> 02:50:55,359
um i just don't know

4159
02:50:59,510 --> 02:50:56,640
who

4160
02:51:01,990 --> 02:50:59,520
the witnesses are going to be that i

4161
02:51:04,710 --> 02:51:02,000
don't know i don't know the context of

4162
02:51:07,429 --> 02:51:04,720
the hearing either and i don't want to

4163
02:51:08,389 --> 02:51:07,439
pretend uh that i know these things i

4164
02:51:11,030 --> 02:51:08,399
don't

4165
02:51:12,230 --> 02:51:11,040
um but won't that be interesting when it

4166
02:51:13,750 --> 02:51:12,240
goes down

4167
02:51:15,269 --> 02:51:13,760
with that

4168
02:51:19,190 --> 02:51:15,279
let's go to the phones hi you're live on

4169
02:51:23,429 --> 02:51:21,349
hello steve hi steve where are you

4170
02:51:26,070 --> 02:51:23,439
calling from

4171
02:51:29,910 --> 02:51:26,080
uh sarah monterey california

4172
02:51:33,030 --> 02:51:29,920
from is from sierra madre

4173
02:51:36,150 --> 02:51:33,040
yes okay what's on your mind steve

4174
02:51:39,030 --> 02:51:36,160
i was uh just uh

4175
02:51:41,269 --> 02:51:39,040
your uh talk about uh

4176
02:51:42,630 --> 02:51:41,279
the hearings and stuff

4177
02:51:44,550 --> 02:51:42,640
um

4178
02:51:47,590 --> 02:51:44,560
i wonder if they're gonna go a little

4179
02:51:48,870 --> 02:51:47,600
deeper into

4180
02:51:55,110 --> 02:51:48,880
like

4181
02:51:57,429 --> 02:51:55,120
i know uap but ufo stuff

4182
02:51:59,110 --> 02:51:57,439
i mean are they gonna actually

4183
02:52:01,190 --> 02:51:59,120
talk about aliens

4184
02:52:02,389 --> 02:52:01,200
well it depends on who the uh witnesses

4185
02:52:05,110 --> 02:52:02,399
are

4186
02:52:07,670 --> 02:52:05,120
right obviously they tried to they tried

4187
02:52:10,070 --> 02:52:07,680
to talk about that with uh

4188
02:52:12,389 --> 02:52:10,080
scott bray and walter

4189
02:52:15,429 --> 02:52:12,399
and they didn't get anywhere yeah they

4190
02:52:16,630 --> 02:52:15,439
didn't get anywhere um they got behind

4191
02:52:20,710 --> 02:52:16,640
code

4192
02:52:22,389 --> 02:52:20,720
that's behind uh the closed doors

4193
02:52:24,710 --> 02:52:22,399
i would have loved

4194
02:52:28,150 --> 02:52:24,720
you know at some point

4195
02:52:29,830 --> 02:52:28,160
you can expect john greenwald uh to get

4196
02:52:32,790 --> 02:52:29,840
uh the notes

4197
02:52:34,389 --> 02:52:32,800
uh from the classified briefing um and

4198
02:52:36,790 --> 02:52:34,399
that will be brought out in the freedom

4199
02:52:39,830 --> 02:52:36,800
of information act it's not completely

4200
02:52:43,030 --> 02:52:39,840
classified uh the the public still has a

4201
02:52:44,630 --> 02:52:43,040
right to know so yeah what was discussed

4202
02:52:45,830 --> 02:52:44,640
uh in the classified part of the

4203
02:52:48,710 --> 02:52:45,840
briefing i think that the

4204
02:52:50,150 --> 02:52:48,720
representatives definitely tried to

4205
02:52:50,950 --> 02:52:50,160
uh

4206
02:52:53,190 --> 02:52:50,960
i mean

4207
02:52:56,389 --> 02:52:53,200
you heard it in the line of questioning

4208
02:52:58,150 --> 02:52:56,399
um and e.t and extraterrestrials and

4209
02:53:00,309 --> 02:52:58,160
things not of this earth were brought up

4210
02:53:03,190 --> 02:53:00,319
in this hearing multiple times

4211
02:53:04,150 --> 02:53:03,200
um and and i think that

4212
02:53:06,950 --> 02:53:04,160
uh

4213
02:53:09,830 --> 02:53:06,960
both bray and moultrie at the beginning

4214
02:53:11,190 --> 02:53:09,840
uh tried to dance around directly

4215
02:53:13,030 --> 02:53:11,200
answering

4216
02:53:15,429 --> 02:53:13,040
um any of that

4217
02:53:17,990 --> 02:53:15,439
and but at the end

4218
02:53:19,750 --> 02:53:18,000
of the briefing when this came up a

4219
02:53:21,349 --> 02:53:19,760
couple of more times

4220
02:53:23,429 --> 02:53:21,359
uh that they said that they were

4221
02:53:26,389 --> 02:53:23,439
interested in in the search for

4222
02:53:29,349 --> 02:53:26,399
extraterrestrial life in that um there

4223
02:53:33,550 --> 02:53:29,359
was uh i think it was uh bray

4224
02:53:36,309 --> 02:53:33,560
that even said that there is room for

4225
02:53:37,349 --> 02:53:36,319
scientific discovery

4226
02:53:38,550 --> 02:53:37,359
and i thought

4227
02:53:40,389 --> 02:53:38,560
what what

4228
02:53:43,190 --> 02:53:40,399
exactly yeah

4229
02:53:46,389 --> 02:53:43,200
yeah interesting choice of words yeah

4230
02:53:47,349 --> 02:53:46,399
what is scientific discovery well okay

4231
02:53:49,590 --> 02:53:47,359
so

4232
02:53:54,230 --> 02:53:49,600
again leaving it open

4233
02:53:55,750 --> 02:53:54,240
um i think that uh the government

4234
02:53:57,830 --> 02:53:55,760
uh the department of defense and the

4235
02:53:59,910 --> 02:53:57,840
military and these agencies

4236
02:54:02,309 --> 02:53:59,920
uh would love

4237
02:54:05,269 --> 02:54:02,319
for something to happen

4238
02:54:07,030 --> 02:54:05,279
where there would be uh an alleged

4239
02:54:09,269 --> 02:54:07,040
discovery made

4240
02:54:11,910 --> 02:54:09,279
so they would have an out that they

4241
02:54:15,910 --> 02:54:11,920
haven't known about this forever

4242
02:54:18,710 --> 02:54:15,920
but now we've made this recent discovery

4243
02:54:21,830 --> 02:54:18,720
so now we can talk about this date and

4244
02:54:23,349 --> 02:54:21,840
moving forward and let's leave the past

4245
02:54:25,830 --> 02:54:23,359
70 years

4246
02:54:28,150 --> 02:54:25,840
um let's not talk about that but we've

4247
02:54:31,510 --> 02:54:28,160
made roswell and everything else right

4248
02:54:32,469 --> 02:54:31,520
right right right right right um i

4249
02:54:34,550 --> 02:54:32,479
you know

4250
02:54:36,870 --> 02:54:34,560
you're you're rolling the dice you're

4251
02:54:40,309 --> 02:54:36,880
hoping that something's gonna happen so

4252
02:54:43,750 --> 02:54:40,319
you can focus on that and say aha we've

4253
02:54:46,150 --> 02:54:43,760
made a discovery here with radio uh

4254
02:54:47,030 --> 02:54:46,160
signals from another you know star

4255
02:54:50,870 --> 02:54:47,040
system

4256
02:54:53,590 --> 02:54:50,880
uh you know something being identified

4257
02:54:55,590 --> 02:54:53,600
but it wasn't anything uh

4258
02:54:56,389 --> 02:54:55,600
that that happened in the last 70 years

4259
02:54:59,030 --> 02:54:56,399
right

4260
02:55:01,990 --> 02:54:59,040
it happened today let's focus on that

4261
02:55:04,550 --> 02:55:02,000
and move forward um so yeah for bray to

4262
02:55:07,190 --> 02:55:04,560
say that that uh there is another

4263
02:55:10,630 --> 02:55:07,200
there's another category here which is

4264
02:55:12,630 --> 02:55:10,640
scientific discovery so we'll see

4265
02:55:13,990 --> 02:55:12,640
thanks for the phone call steve enjoy

4266
02:55:15,349 --> 02:55:14,000
the rest of your night man we'll see you

4267
02:55:17,030 --> 02:55:15,359
tomorrow

4268
02:55:18,389 --> 02:55:17,040
one more question

4269
02:55:21,110 --> 02:55:18,399
uh

4270
02:55:22,309 --> 02:55:21,120
you're looking forward to the shower

4271
02:55:25,030 --> 02:55:22,319
tonight

4272
02:55:26,950 --> 02:55:25,040
absolutely as soon as this show is over

4273
02:55:29,349 --> 02:55:26,960
in 12 minutes but

4274
02:55:33,269 --> 02:55:29,359
i'm outside i signed

4275
02:55:35,269 --> 02:55:33,279
my son is heading up to uh azusa canyon

4276
02:55:36,870 --> 02:55:35,279
but i looked it up i don't know if it's

4277
02:55:40,710 --> 02:55:36,880
going to be

4278
02:55:43,269 --> 02:55:40,720
i heard it's like closed at like 8 8 p.m

4279
02:55:45,670 --> 02:55:43,279
but maybe open tonight i don't know yeah

4280
02:55:48,870 --> 02:55:45,680
he said back to the lock lock or china

4281
02:55:50,630 --> 02:55:48,880
to go see it yeah yeah yeah well i'll

4282
02:55:52,790 --> 02:55:50,640
let you know i'm out here in the mojave

4283
02:55:55,269 --> 02:55:52,800
desert so i'll let everybody know i'll

4284
02:55:57,269 --> 02:55:55,279
tweet out if i catch anything i'll let

4285
02:55:59,670 --> 02:55:57,279
everybody know

4286
02:56:00,550 --> 02:55:59,680
i'm looking at the sky right now i'm in

4287
02:56:02,070 --> 02:56:00,560
uh

4288
02:56:02,950 --> 02:56:02,080
super margaery right now it's pretty

4289
02:56:05,990 --> 02:56:02,960
dark

4290
02:56:08,230 --> 02:56:06,000
not much light pollution but uh yeah i

4291
02:56:09,830 --> 02:56:08,240
hope to see something thank you jimmy

4292
02:56:12,230 --> 02:56:09,840
i'll talk to you steve thank you so much

4293
02:56:15,389 --> 02:56:12,240
it's time to fade the black everybody

4294
02:56:17,110 --> 02:56:15,399
needs to look in the direction of

4295
02:56:20,710 --> 02:56:17,120
hercules

4296
02:56:22,150 --> 02:56:20,720
okay and if you have i use a program on

4297
02:56:24,710 --> 02:56:22,160
my phone

4298
02:56:26,550 --> 02:56:24,720
um this is not a paid endorsement i use

4299
02:56:31,670 --> 02:56:26,560
night sky

4300
02:56:34,230 --> 02:56:31,680
they have another paid version of it

4301
02:56:36,230 --> 02:56:34,240
which i don't use the paid version

4302
02:56:37,910 --> 02:56:36,240
and night sky

4303
02:56:41,830 --> 02:56:37,920
looks like

4304
02:56:43,990 --> 02:56:41,840
uh where is it on my phone okay well

4305
02:56:47,030 --> 02:56:44,000
enough of this i'm not going to yeah

4306
02:56:48,630 --> 02:56:47,040
there it is okay so that's the logo

4307
02:56:50,870 --> 02:56:48,640
it looks like that oh i don't even know

4308
02:56:52,550 --> 02:56:50,880
if you can see it but it's called night

4309
02:56:54,950 --> 02:56:52,560
sky and

4310
02:56:56,230 --> 02:56:54,960
so when you open it up

4311
02:56:58,070 --> 02:56:56,240
night sky

4312
02:57:00,469 --> 02:56:58,080
shows you this let me see i don't even

4313
02:57:02,950 --> 02:57:00,479
know i've got i can't see myself i've

4314
02:57:06,070 --> 02:57:02,960
got everything covered up okay

4315
02:57:09,030 --> 02:57:06,080
so that's what night sky shows you oh

4316
02:57:11,670 --> 02:57:09,040
man not now okay

4317
02:57:14,710 --> 02:57:11,680
and so you are able to wherever you are

4318
02:57:17,110 --> 02:57:14,720
there's the horizon now if i point up

4319
02:57:19,030 --> 02:57:17,120
right now i'm looking at the sky above

4320
02:57:22,230 --> 02:57:19,040
me if i have the phone like this it's

4321
02:57:24,309 --> 02:57:22,240
gps and i can see everything all the

4322
02:57:27,349 --> 02:57:24,319
constellations and everything that is

4323
02:57:28,790 --> 02:57:27,359
going on so you want to find hercules

4324
02:57:32,790 --> 02:57:28,800
and then look in that direction that's

4325
02:57:38,230 --> 02:57:34,550
oh there's hercules right there i'm

4326
02:57:39,830 --> 02:57:38,240
looking at it right okay let's just get

4327
02:57:42,870 --> 02:57:39,840
night sky

4328
02:57:44,469 --> 02:57:42,880
and uh look in the direction of hercules

4329
02:57:46,309 --> 02:57:44,479
tonight

4330
02:57:48,790 --> 02:57:46,319
oh it's either all or nothing that's

4331
02:57:52,469 --> 02:57:48,800
what nasa says it's either

4332
02:57:53,990 --> 02:57:52,479
it's either all or nothing all right

4333
02:57:56,389 --> 02:57:54,000
let's see here

4334
02:57:58,550 --> 02:57:56,399
who is up next hi you're live on paid to

4335
02:57:59,830 --> 02:57:58,560
block who's calling

4336
02:58:04,230 --> 02:57:59,840
good evening jim and it's white in

4337
02:58:06,630 --> 02:58:04,240
montana hi mike come on

4338
02:58:08,550 --> 02:58:06,640
hi i just wanted to ask a quick question

4339
02:58:11,670 --> 02:58:08,560
of if the senate

4340
02:58:13,990 --> 02:58:11,680
should have a hearing on ufos

4341
02:58:15,590 --> 02:58:14,000
say in the next few months or

4342
02:58:18,790 --> 02:58:15,600
within the year

4343
02:58:21,590 --> 02:58:18,800
is the next step maybe to have a

4344
02:58:23,429 --> 02:58:21,600
disclosure rally in dc

4345
02:58:25,670 --> 02:58:23,439
yeah wouldn't it wouldn't that be nice

4346
02:58:27,190 --> 02:58:25,680
wouldn't that be nice okay now you said

4347
02:58:29,510 --> 02:58:27,200
senate

4348
02:58:32,790 --> 02:58:29,520
okay so are you referring to marco rubio

4349
02:58:34,630 --> 02:58:32,800
and the senate intelligence committee

4350
02:58:37,510 --> 02:58:34,640
exactly okay because right now the

4351
02:58:40,230 --> 02:58:37,520
hearings are going on in congress

4352
02:58:43,990 --> 02:58:40,240
it's not uh the senate intelligence

4353
02:58:45,190 --> 02:58:44,000
committee i i would i would i would say

4354
02:58:48,630 --> 02:58:45,200
that

4355
02:58:50,389 --> 02:58:48,640
um the senate now

4356
02:58:51,750 --> 02:58:50,399
i i'm just speaking as an american

4357
02:58:54,790 --> 02:58:51,760
citizen here

4358
02:58:57,110 --> 02:58:54,800
um congress is one thing

4359
02:59:00,469 --> 02:58:57,120
but the senate is a little it's a notch

4360
02:59:01,910 --> 02:59:00,479
above the on the intimidation factor

4361
02:59:03,429 --> 02:59:01,920
right

4362
02:59:05,830 --> 02:59:03,439
when you get to the senate hearings

4363
02:59:08,070 --> 02:59:05,840
things are getting really serious

4364
02:59:09,910 --> 02:59:08,080
and and i would expect that the line of

4365
02:59:11,590 --> 02:59:09,920
questioning from ruby on the senate

4366
02:59:13,830 --> 02:59:11,600
intelligence committee

4367
02:59:15,910 --> 02:59:13,840
uh would be completely different than

4368
02:59:18,870 --> 02:59:15,920
what is going on right now

4369
02:59:20,630 --> 02:59:18,880
um i could be completely wrong i applaud

4370
02:59:23,830 --> 02:59:20,640
andre carson

4371
02:59:25,510 --> 02:59:23,840
and the current committee that is

4372
02:59:27,269 --> 02:59:25,520
is doing this

4373
02:59:29,990 --> 02:59:27,279
um but

4374
02:59:31,429 --> 02:59:30,000
if if these hearings continue and they

4375
02:59:32,550 --> 02:59:31,439
are they will

4376
02:59:34,710 --> 02:59:32,560
um

4377
02:59:37,429 --> 02:59:34,720
should we

4378
02:59:39,190 --> 02:59:37,439
get the citizens together and and have a

4379
02:59:42,469 --> 02:59:39,200
disclosure rally

4380
02:59:44,070 --> 02:59:42,479
um i would i would i would i would

4381
02:59:46,469 --> 02:59:44,080
i would promote it

4382
02:59:47,910 --> 02:59:46,479
i would speak at it i would i would help

4383
02:59:50,389 --> 02:59:47,920
organize it

4384
02:59:52,710 --> 02:59:50,399
um yeah i think that would be the next

4385
02:59:55,349 --> 02:59:52,720
step man let's get some uh

4386
02:59:58,870 --> 02:59:55,359
let's get some permits together whether

4387
03:00:00,950 --> 02:59:58,880
we do it at uh the lincoln memorial or i

4388
03:00:02,710 --> 03:00:00,960
don't know if we could do it the steps

4389
03:00:04,230 --> 03:00:02,720
of the capitol building anymore i don't

4390
03:00:05,349 --> 03:00:04,240
think that's a good idea

4391
03:00:07,110 --> 03:00:05,359
but

4392
03:00:08,870 --> 03:00:07,120
no probably not yeah probably not

4393
03:00:13,190 --> 03:00:08,880
lincoln memorial was

4394
03:00:15,830 --> 03:00:13,200
first thought yeah uh you know with the

4395
03:00:17,590 --> 03:00:15,840
pool where the mall yep yep yeah have

4396
03:00:20,150 --> 03:00:17,600
you been there

4397
03:00:21,590 --> 03:00:20,160
oh my gosh i used to live right outside

4398
03:00:22,389 --> 03:00:21,600
of my dad was

4399
03:00:25,910 --> 03:00:22,399
uh

4400
03:00:28,950 --> 03:00:25,920
in the service from 1958 to 2008

4401
03:00:29,830 --> 03:00:28,960
and stationed right outside of dc

4402
03:00:30,950 --> 03:00:29,840
and

4403
03:00:33,670 --> 03:00:30,960
my mom

4404
03:00:36,150 --> 03:00:33,680
protested the war from like i remember

4405
03:00:38,710 --> 03:00:36,160
the first ride i went to i think it was

4406
03:00:41,429 --> 03:00:38,720
67 or 68.

4407
03:00:43,910 --> 03:00:41,439
i mean you know that year and then all

4408
03:00:44,790 --> 03:00:43,920
the way in until the 70s i mean it was

4409
03:00:47,190 --> 03:00:44,800
like

4410
03:00:48,790 --> 03:00:47,200
non-stop almost every weekend or at

4411
03:00:50,630 --> 03:00:48,800
least twice

4412
03:00:52,469 --> 03:00:50,640
you know a month she just

4413
03:00:55,670 --> 03:00:52,479
she hated the fact that we were fighting

4414
03:00:57,590 --> 03:00:55,680
in vietnam and we knew people that died

4415
03:01:00,230 --> 03:00:57,600
you know in that

4416
03:01:02,710 --> 03:01:00,240
conflict so um

4417
03:01:05,910 --> 03:01:02,720
my dad was there for a bit too so it's

4418
03:01:07,510 --> 03:01:05,920
such a powerful it's such a powerful

4419
03:01:09,349 --> 03:01:07,520
place and

4420
03:01:10,469 --> 03:01:09,359
i i don't

4421
03:01:11,510 --> 03:01:10,479
uh

4422
03:01:27,670 --> 03:01:11,520
i

4423
03:01:29,510 --> 03:01:27,680
when you go

4424
03:01:31,030 --> 03:01:29,520
uh you're going to do two things when

4425
03:01:32,309 --> 03:01:31,040
you go to the lincoln memorial you're

4426
03:01:34,389 --> 03:01:32,319
going to go up to the steps you're going

4427
03:01:36,469 --> 03:01:34,399
to go all the way in and check out

4428
03:01:38,150 --> 03:01:36,479
lincoln sitting in the chair and then

4429
03:01:41,030 --> 03:01:38,160
you can read the stuff on the walls

4430
03:01:43,110 --> 03:01:41,040
right that that it's pretty crazy but

4431
03:01:45,830 --> 03:01:43,120
then you turn around

4432
03:01:47,910 --> 03:01:45,840
and you look at the mirror pool

4433
03:01:50,150 --> 03:01:47,920
and you look at the two sidewalks that

4434
03:01:52,790 --> 03:01:50,160
go down the sides and then down at the

4435
03:01:53,910 --> 03:01:52,800
end is the washington memorial right at

4436
03:01:56,710 --> 03:01:53,920
the end

4437
03:01:58,870 --> 03:01:56,720
and you just think about all of the

4438
03:02:01,590 --> 03:01:58,880
historical moments

4439
03:02:04,790 --> 03:02:01,600
in in this country's history that took

4440
03:02:07,670 --> 03:02:04,800
place right there and you cannot help

4441
03:02:10,469 --> 03:02:07,680
but just stop on those steps

4442
03:02:14,150 --> 03:02:10,479
and look out and think about that

4443
03:02:17,349 --> 03:02:14,160
it's it's a powerful powerful place

4444
03:02:20,150 --> 03:02:17,359
and and i i wish uh everybody could get

4445
03:02:22,790 --> 03:02:20,160
the chance to go and just stand on the

4446
03:02:23,910 --> 03:02:22,800
steps of the lincoln memorial and face

4447
03:02:26,070 --> 03:02:23,920
the park

4448
03:02:27,030 --> 03:02:26,080
and and look out and just think about

4449
03:02:30,070 --> 03:02:27,040
that

4450
03:02:31,429 --> 03:02:30,080
right oh man it's just crazy so yeah

4451
03:02:33,670 --> 03:02:31,439
should we do it

4452
03:02:36,150 --> 03:02:33,680
uh i think that we should i don't think

4453
03:02:39,030 --> 03:02:36,160
there's any questions about that i and

4454
03:02:42,150 --> 03:02:39,040
um i've spoken about this for years mike

4455
03:02:45,269 --> 03:02:42,160
and if the opportunity presents itself

4456
03:02:47,349 --> 03:02:45,279
i'll i'll throw my uh

4457
03:02:49,750 --> 03:02:47,359
complete weight behind it of which i

4458
03:02:50,710 --> 03:02:49,760
have a lot

4459
03:02:54,550 --> 03:02:50,720
so

4460
03:02:56,389 --> 03:02:54,560
great phone call

4461
03:02:58,150 --> 03:02:56,399
and what a great show tonight and what a

4462
03:03:00,230 --> 03:02:58,160
great show

4463
03:03:01,110 --> 03:03:00,240
yeah absolutely it's time to fade the

4464
03:03:02,790 --> 03:03:01,120
black

4465
03:03:04,630 --> 03:03:02,800
and um

4466
03:03:06,870 --> 03:03:04,640
what a what a great show

4467
03:03:09,190 --> 03:03:06,880
and the thing is um

4468
03:03:10,710 --> 03:03:09,200
i like to be inspired and i like to

4469
03:03:12,870 --> 03:03:10,720
learn things

4470
03:03:15,269 --> 03:03:12,880
and it's all about knowledge and tonight

4471
03:03:18,389 --> 03:03:15,279
with ross and i know that all of you uh

4472
03:03:21,429 --> 03:03:18,399
went along with the with me for the ride

4473
03:03:23,269 --> 03:03:21,439
is that ross is inspiring

4474
03:03:27,349 --> 03:03:23,279
he's inspiring

4475
03:03:30,230 --> 03:03:27,359
and if if in the world of journalism and

4476
03:03:32,389 --> 03:03:30,240
trust me when i say

4477
03:03:33,670 --> 03:03:32,399
navigating ufos in the world of

4478
03:03:35,910 --> 03:03:33,680
journalism

4479
03:03:39,590 --> 03:03:35,920
that's the big no-no

4480
03:03:40,790 --> 03:03:39,600
it is there's uh only been a couple a

4481
03:03:43,830 --> 03:03:40,800
couple

4482
03:03:46,790 --> 03:03:43,840
uh over the last few decades

4483
03:03:48,550 --> 03:03:46,800
that have chosen to do this larry king

4484
03:03:53,030 --> 03:03:48,560
certainly is one

4485
03:03:56,389 --> 03:03:53,040
um george knapp uh is another art bell

4486
03:03:59,750 --> 03:03:56,399
um and the uh

4487
03:04:01,910 --> 03:03:59,760
the ability to succeed in

4488
03:04:02,790 --> 03:04:01,920
not only a career but getting people to

4489
03:04:04,710 --> 03:04:02,800
listen

4490
03:04:07,590 --> 03:04:04,720
and to raise the awareness of these

4491
03:04:09,750 --> 03:04:07,600
issues that's tough and it's rare it's

4492
03:04:13,910 --> 03:04:09,760
rare it is not the norm

4493
03:04:17,429 --> 03:04:13,920
and ross culthart has chosen to do this

4494
03:04:19,030 --> 03:04:17,439
in a world of broadcast that is vicious

4495
03:04:21,190 --> 03:04:19,040
with this subject

4496
03:04:23,990 --> 03:04:21,200
and there you go so i applaud he's just

4497
03:04:25,750 --> 03:04:24,000
inspiring to me absolutely inspiring

4498
03:04:27,269 --> 03:04:25,760
with that uh

4499
03:04:30,550 --> 03:04:27,279
i want to thank ross for coming on

4500
03:04:32,710 --> 03:04:30,560
tonight need to know dot today is the

4501
03:04:35,030 --> 03:04:32,720
website uh they're going to be putting

4502
03:04:37,670 --> 03:04:35,040
together uh the new podcast tomorrow him

4503
03:04:40,309 --> 03:04:37,680
and bryce abel and i guess uh he said

4504
03:04:41,910 --> 03:04:40,319
release it by thursday or friday

4505
03:04:43,750 --> 03:04:41,920
there you go ross i want to thank you

4506
03:04:45,830 --> 03:04:43,760
for coming on tonight tomorrow night

4507
03:04:47,429 --> 03:04:45,840
billy carson's going to be here and

4508
03:04:49,670 --> 03:04:47,439
we're going to be talking about the

4509
03:04:52,150 --> 03:04:49,680
black knight satellite

4510
03:04:53,510 --> 03:04:52,160
something that not only

4511
03:04:55,910 --> 03:04:53,520
uh

4512
03:04:57,990 --> 03:04:55,920
should be talked about today with

4513
03:04:59,990 --> 03:04:58,000
everything else that is going on but

4514
03:05:01,429 --> 03:05:00,000
it's been a subject in the ufo community

4515
03:05:04,870 --> 03:05:01,439
for a number of years the black knight

4516
03:05:08,150 --> 03:05:04,880
satellite is not something new his film

4517
03:05:09,750 --> 03:05:08,160
uh releases worldwide this sunday

4518
03:05:11,429 --> 03:05:09,760
and so tomorrow night we're going to be

4519
03:05:13,349 --> 03:05:11,439
talking about the black knight satellite

4520
03:05:15,830 --> 03:05:13,359
we're going to talk about things that

4521
03:05:17,590 --> 03:05:15,840
you may not have known about the black

4522
03:05:19,269 --> 03:05:17,600
knight satellite before so that goes on

4523
03:05:21,190 --> 03:05:19,279
tomorrow night with billy carson

4524
03:05:23,030 --> 03:05:21,200
wednesday nights

4525
03:05:25,349 --> 03:05:23,040
john burroughs

4526
03:05:26,790 --> 03:05:25,359
what a great week here on fade to black

4527
03:05:29,670 --> 03:05:26,800
thursday night of course is another

4528
03:05:32,150 --> 03:05:29,680
fader night with open lines all night

4529
03:05:34,469 --> 03:05:32,160
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4530
03:05:36,469 --> 03:05:34,479
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4531
03:05:39,590 --> 03:05:36,479
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4532
03:05:43,150 --> 03:05:39,600
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4533
03:05:45,429 --> 03:05:43,160
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4534
03:05:47,349 --> 03:05:45,439
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4535
03:05:49,190 --> 03:05:47,359
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4536
03:05:51,429 --> 03:05:49,200
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4537
03:05:53,590 --> 03:05:51,439
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4538
03:05:55,750 --> 03:05:53,600
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4539
03:05:57,269 --> 03:05:55,760
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4540
03:05:59,269 --> 03:05:57,279
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4541
03:06:00,950 --> 03:05:59,279
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4542
03:06:02,790 --> 03:06:00,960
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4543
03:06:04,309 --> 03:06:02,800
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4544
03:06:07,830 --> 03:06:04,319
with billy carson

4545
03:06:11,820 --> 03:06:07,840
until then i want everybody to be safe

4546
03:06:19,670 --> 03:06:11,830
it's time to fade to black

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03:06:39,910 --> 03:06:19,680
[Music]

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03:06:39,920 --> 03:06:43,020
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